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estuary bf are alot different in the way they feed than the rock ones..
Hi Steve,
Thanks again for the great info. Could you please explain further what is the difference between estuary and sea-running blackfish when it comes to feeding habits?
Also can you sketch out an annual timeline of general estuary blackfish behaviour?
Cheers,
Tony
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they move down into the mouths/harbours of estuaries to school up and spawn.
also get them coming from outside for same reason.
some spots do fire better on certain tides and the school does sometimes move around so burly is the key to hold them in the area,this was critical factor for me friday as without burley i think i woulda struggled to get a down..
i never fish without burly its that important most times...
sometimes theres good structure to hold the school and burly used to bring the bite on..
if you looked under most harbour wharves with a torch amongst the pylons at night right now there will be masses of em sitting there hiding from the predators..
at first light fish close to this to get good success and then move around to find where they are holding..
theres some spots in harbour with the long walls of kelp and the school moves along with the tide so if ya dont hold them you have to wait till the tide changes as they come back..
cheers...steve.....
Cheers Steve,
OK, so they travel down to spawn. How far down would you think? As far down as Manly/Watson's Bay for example? I guess its the novice estuary fisherman in me talking as I am really picking up river fishing on the run so to speak (previously I have only ever really caught darkies from off the rocks). Same with burley, I do use it (is half a bucket of sand and a handful of shredded weed/sea lettuce enough for a 3 hour sesh?), but can't say conclusively what effect it's had on my success, or otherwise, so far this season. (Sometimes I fear I am actually driving them away from my bait because of a poor technique here.) They either seem to be there, or they're not.
Thanks again,
Tony
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hi tony,
as you would prob be aware the blackies should be schoolin in the harbour by now but there may be some late schools still travelling down from upstream...
i would be targeting the spots around the harbour now then as you notice them thin out follow them back upriver in the next few weeks or so..
it does seem to be a late season from my observations though..
as for the burly bombs,
cut yr weed very fine (you want to entice not feed)
mix with fine sand,some ocean beaches are too shelly and is crap(i did this other week again
)have enough water in it to just hold a ball together(this is where fine sands the best)
i use a cheap $2 kitchen scoop to save getting hands dirty but in old days just got small handful and lobbed it in the spot you want to fish...
remember weed is light and even though you can see the sand sinking the weed maybe downcurrent from it a little sometimes...
hope this helps...
cheers...steve....
ps:if i can get the bloody pic of my new iphone ill put a pic of the fish up...
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the follow up on the berleying technique. Regarding their movements, I've been sort of thinking along the same lines - that they should be way upstream spawning - and so have tried for them recently as far up as Rydalmere, but without any success. So your saying that, because the lateness of the season, they have yet to reach that far?
Only it seems once you pass the area east of Kissing Point (both sides of the River) do they "suddenly" appear, but their enthusiasm does run hot and cold though. However it's worth the occasional dissapointment of a fishless day, because some of the fish caught have been huge, including a personal best of 45cm, and many at or slightly over 40cm regardless, a size of fish I've never encountered before, not even off the rocks. The best haul so far has run 11 fish caught in 3 and half hours, but usually about 3 or 4 landed per session, with many bust-offs (surgeons?) before the bite dies away. Still haven't got the handle on which tides work best - run in, or run out. (Does it even matter in this estuary?).
Another thing, most fish have been snared using green weed flies which they seem to be absolutely mad for (not much luck finding the fabled Parramatta River weed having tried the usual haunts, and some that aren't). I would love to post some pics of the monsters caught but having also taken all photos on a camera phone I think the mini-USB connection has been corroded, as I cannot seem to get the camera to uplink to the laptop anymore. Might just have to take the SIM to Harvey Norman or something and get them transferred to disk.
Cheers.
only pic i got due to being in big hurry..
these ranged from low 30's to just over 40cm.
cheers...steve....
Yeah, great specimens Steve! Thanks for posting this pic.
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Hey,
Sounds like you had a great sesh with the darkies. I've been chasing them up and down the Parramatta River with similar success this winter - some places which otherwise look promising are completely barren, whilst others with the same characteristics have held large schools of very big fish for months now. There's nothing like the pull of a 40cm+ monster to get the blood racing.
I've got a question for you about these burley bombs please. Would you be able to explain your formula/method for deploying "chum" in this way?
Cheers,
Tony
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Hi all
I have been a bit quiet on the 'fishing reports ' over the last few weeks - I haven't had the yak out for a while & have been hitting the breakwall & wharves & jetties for some blackies with very limited success!
...Sorry about the dry spell there, I went through a similar phase in June (3 outings for 3 fish!). During July though the tables have well and truly turned and I have been having tremendous success using green weed flies in the Parramatta River. Just last Wednesday, for example, I hooked into 10 fish in less than 4 hours, of which I landed 8, several of which were over 40cms, one of which was a personal record - 45cms! What a brute! Also got smashed a few times either by even bigger Bronzies, or perhaps Surgeon fish. Who knows? They were like locomotives from hell...
I'm sure you're luck will change for the better soon!
Cheers,
Tony
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I find this works for me. Simply wrap the weed in a clean hanky, do not wring it or add any more liquid to it, of any type, then place it in an airtight container, like one of those Glad Wrap ones, and keep it in the fridge. Just don't put it on the lowest shelf at the back, as this may cause freezing to occur and damage the weed. Now, after every time you use the weed remember to simply re-wrap it, in the same hanky, and put into the same container back to the fridge. I've found the same weed can keep for many weeks, and still deliver fish, using this method of storage. Once it does goes off you can use it for burley.
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Hi Homeside,
Just curious, are you landbased? if not, is the place can be fished from land?
Been using that ramp there frequently but never tried blackfishing. I am thinking since it's too cold to launch the boat I would try landbased, will appreciate very much if you could give some info.
Thanks,
Littledinghy
Hi Littledinghy,
Just fish either side of the ferry ramp right into the drink, (although apparently the Hornsby side of the crossing is best when they're running - both the fish and the ferry
). Let us know how you go!Cheers
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nice work mate i have spent a fair bit of time fishing berowra waters for the blackies but not recently will have to get back down there and give em a go:P
cheers hoodlum
Cool - BW is a beautiful place for a relaxing day, catching those fish was just a bonus.
P.S. I have a feeling that the blackies were feeding a lot higher than the depth being fished because the downs that resulted in the ones caught went almost horizontal when taken. Next outing will start from 3' and move down as needed.
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Hi All,
Made it to Berowra Waters on Sunday and fishing the first half of the ebb tide on the Hornsby side of the ferry crossing, managed to lose one of those green weed flies from "Go Fish" I was experimenting with, get lots of furtive downs and eventually bag a couple of nice fish to 30cms from very aggressive bait hits towards the end of the session.
Gear used was a standard 10' estuary rod by Viva, with a centrepin creation.
Also a light float (running a 20mm trace to 8'-10' deep) and weed sourced from the Georges River for bait and burley. Speaking to the ferry-master, who is also a keen blackfisherman, he suggested coming back in another week or two as the main body of blackies were further downstream, and only now were starting to make there way up towards Berowra Waters and Calabash Bay for the breeding season.
If anyone would like to join up in the near future for a bash out that way (mid-week?) it would be great to meet some of the other mad keen darkie fisho's from around here.
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Hi All,
Planning to take my 14 yo nephew to Berowra Waters for blackfish this long weekend. This will be his introduction to the dark art. However I have hit a snag with my plans - a lack of green weed to fish with. The big rain has decimated my usual haunts for the stuff, around Picnic Point. Any information on where I can collect some would be very helpful and appreciated, as I would hate to disappoint the young bloke, who is eager to try out his brand new Jarvis Walker Aurora Estuary rod on them.
Warm Regards and Happy Downs,
Tony
EDIT: If anyone is willing to assist they can PM me if they wish.
Will be using grass-clippings, bread and bran burley plus green weed flies for the fish tomorrow.
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Hi All,
Planning to take my 14 yo nephew to Berowra Waters for blackfish this long weekend. This will be his introduction to the dark art. However I have hit a snag with my plans - a lack of green weed to fish with. The big rain has decimated my usual haunts for the stuff, around Picnic Point. Any information on where I can collect some would be very helpful and appreciated, as I would hate to disappoint the young bloke, who is eager to try out his brand new Jarvis Walker Aurora Estuary rod on them.
Warm Regards and Happy Downs,
Tony
EDIT: If anyone is willing to assist they can PM me if they wish.
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I'm trying to have a go at blackfishing as I've caught a few on bread while trying to catch poddies. I heard there was some weed at Kelso park quite a few times on the site but couldn't locate any there. Anyone want to give me some hints as where to look?
Thanks,
Damos
Was speaking to an old timer just the other day, (who was chasing them without success out at East Hills), about this very matter. Apparently the inlet at Kelso Park was "treated" about 9 months ago by Bankstown Council for bamboo. In the bargain, weed, fish and waterfowl have now disappeared from there. However, the bamboo remains! Absolutely criminal behaviour in this day and age.
After a couple of hours searching I did manage to score a couple of handfuls of weed of dubious quality around Picnic Point, but the constant rain appears to have played havoc with both the availability of bait and Blackfish in this part of the Georges River, the latter of which seem to have gone off the bite because of all the fresh water in the system. Anyone know of better when it comes to sourcing the green stuff? I'm thinking of turning to weed flies I'm so desperate!
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Hi,
Tony's the name, and I first learn't to catch these beauties off the rocks at Little Bay as a 14 year old. The technique used there back then (late 70's and early 80's) that I'd like to share with you, and which was practiced and developed by the old masters, was to fish it very, very light (8lb main, 4lb trace).
Before the days of floating lines, it meant you didn't have to regularly grease up, allowing more time in the water to fish, the light rig also provided a better presentation, for better maneuverability in narrow channels, like "the gutter" and of course for the sheer sport of it! The technique also called for a short, extremely whippy rod of no more than 10 ft - typically 8' 6". All sorts of blanks were used, but by far the favourite was the Conlon.
This short bendy blank would provide light rigs with the extra cushioning needed when a larger fish, or even the occasional drummer was on. Yes, you can catch and land drummer on such light gear, so long as you kept its head up and let its strength play out on the very springy, short rods used.
Eggbeaters were never seen - nearly everyone fished an Avon or Steelite reel with the occasional wooden centrepin on duty.
The old guys also favoured very tiny bobby corks, fixed in place, instead of running stem floats - submerged just below the surface by split shot. Although this was difficult to get a handle on initially when casting, in the narrow channels of Little Bay, the fish would typically strike very quickly, so there was no mistaking a down when it occurred.
Below the float, as mentioned, small 0 and even 00 split shot was used for ballast, and at the terminal was a suicide pattern hook - size 10 or 12, again the emphasis on tiny. This allowed for a near natural presentation of a cabbage leaf bait, (secured by a half-hitch), which was the preferred favourite of both fisherman and fish - even bream during the wintertime, although whole rosettes were also sometimes used.
One downside to fishing so light was that sometimes you just didn't know what hit you as big square-mouth, or drummer would just bust you clean off almost as soon as you connected. However the rigs were quick to replace (no swivel) which meant more time in the water, more fun and as a consequence - more fish.
Even though I haven't fished the gutters at Little Bay in over 20 years, the technique taught to me there as a youngster I still apply in other areas till this day, when chasing Blackfish - except at Maroubra, (being home back then I also fished it, but never enjoyed it as much) which perversely required very heavy gear, because of its extreme roughness. Some fishos even sporting 14 foot rods, 10lb traces and number 2 ball sinkers for ballast on very long stemmed floats which rode well high in the water! An interesting thing about the fish caught at Maroubra was that they were typically a much lighter colour than for an average Blackfish, almost milky, because of the sandy bottom I guess.
Cheers
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to the site Tony.
There are some very dedicated blackie fishos on the site & some great posts on the dark art.
Try the "search" button on the top of the page & I'm sure you'll pick up some great tips & add some of your own.
Cheers,
Grant.
Hi Grant,
Thanks for the warm welcome! I've already had a bit of a sticky beak before joining up, and must say that I enjoyed reading some of the posts relating to Blackfish immensely.
As far as my technique goes, which I picked up from the old masters who used to fish the infamous "gutter" at Little Bay, is to fish as light as possible where nxggxrs are concerned (8-10 ft rod, 8lb main and 4lb trace - even off the rocks) using the tiniest of bobby corks and suicide pattern hooks, instead of stemmed floats and snecks (presents the cabbage leaf, or rosette, more naturally). The number of strikes, even on the saddest of days, would increase tremendously, and although you'd get busted off more often as a result, this was more than compensated for by all the fish stuffing your gill threader, or keeper net.
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Hi,
My name's Tony, 46, married with 3 kids, living at Parramatta. I guess I've been fishing since I was a tike, but never had much success at it, until I turned to the dark side - chasing "nxggxrs", principally at Little Bay and Maroubra, but also off the old Pilots' wharf in Botany Bay. I can remember getting up on cold winter's days, catching the bus out to Little Bay before sunrise, then putting in a couple of hours of hard fishing, before returning home in time to get to school. That's how mad keen I was/am still for them. Along the way I've tried flyfishing - both fresh and saltwater, which I also enjoyed, with long spells away from the sport altogether. Recently I renewed my enthusiasm for tackling "darkies", and bought some new gear (Viva 10fter, Siweida centrepin) to mark the occasion, which I hope to christen in a couple of weeks time down at Jervis Bay. Hoping to hear from other Blackfish nutters out there.
Cheers!
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to the site Tony. 
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Yeah, he's still making them. Got one myself recently, in gold. Had to replace the central locking nut though with an ordinary wingnut to make it more free spinning as tightening the original just acts like a drag on the spool.