Outnumbered Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 while looking through the garage i came accross a spool of 120lb mono that was hideing at the back of a shelf. this was the line that many years ago we used as leader for all our lures. when re-rigging my lures a couple of months ago i used 80lb leader line but now after finding the old spool the question came to mind "whats the difference?" (apart from the obvious breaking strain) which would you use for your medium size skirts and bibless minnows? the 80lb clear leader line or the blue 120lb mono?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest danielinbyron Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 (edited) while looking through the garage i came accross a spool of 120lb mono that was hideing at the back of a shelf. this was the line that many years ago we used as leader for all our lures. when re-rigging my lures a couple of months ago i used 80lb leader line but now after finding the old spool the question came to mind "whats the difference?" (apart from the obvious breaking strain) which would you use for your medium size skirts and bibless minnows? the 80lb clear leader line or the blue 120lb mono?? the quality of leaders has come along way with fluro carbons .. i use jinkai .. for its subtlty.... it ties a great knot is durable abrasive resistant and soft ... it also has stretch ... which is a good thing in leader particularly if using brade..http://www.fishraider.com.au/articles/tuna/ has a good rave about leaders posted by sword fisherpersons this morning... Edited September 15, 2006 by danielinbyron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bashir Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 what fish are you targetting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outnumbered Posted September 15, 2006 Author Share Posted September 15, 2006 what ever comes along bashir the questions i really have is what is the difference between the two types of line?, would 80lb leader line be stronger than normal mono of 120lb? the lures that i have the 80lb on are mainly used when trolling wide for fin but are also in the water at times in closer for that stray big king. i use 44lb mono (green) on my smaller skirts etc in closer for general trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inked Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 what ever comes along bashir the questions i really have is what is the difference between the two types of line?, would 80lb leader line be stronger than normal mono of 120lb? the lures that i have the 80lb on are mainly used when trolling wide for fin but are also in the water at times in closer for that stray big king. i use 44lb mono (green) on my smaller skirts etc in closer for general trolling thats a good question outnumbered. I hope someone can shed some light on it. I would have thought they were the same thing, but then I really don't know sh$%. isn't the leader line mono anyhow? I would have thought the 120lb mono would have to be stronger than 80lb leader for pure breaking strength. can someone set me straight cheers dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netic Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 HI guys, Mate this is what i know which may not be right, SOmething i was told a few years ago Leader is mono, brands like Jinkai, Black Magic etc all specialised in leader line which are a mono filament, the difference between mono leader line as to mono spool line is the fact that the Leader line is designed to be more Abrasive resistent, can handle be rubbed along reefs, pylons etc a bit better then you normal 200 metre spool of line. Although spool mono is great, they dont focus as much on its abrasive resitence as much as they do when it comes to leader line. Thats why leader line is so much more expensive then normal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bashir Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 netic is correct however lines such as Ande pink and schneider are often used as leaders, as well as being sold in leader lengths (eg50, 100yards) and they are the same product as the normal mono line that they sell in the lighter line classes and in lengths of say 300yards. In a lot of cases they are better product than some dedicated leader lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I was under the impression that leaders are a tougher, abrasion resistant monofilament and often less supple? Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest danielinbyron Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 (edited) I was under the impression that leaders are a tougher, abrasion resistant monofilament and often less supple? Red Leader is what you chose it to be i think.. my choice is generally jinkai because i want the softness and subtlty that it offers for its strenghth and abrasive resistence... allowing freedom of movement and the effect of current in my slow retreived lures..however i have used schneieder on my big feathers because i want the stiffness that 50lb schneider has ...in hope to stop the feathers whipping back on to the leader when casting....however i don't enjoy tying it as much... so no ... the more expensive brands of leader are often specifically designed to more supple softer and stretchier..that which doesn't give snaps.. having said that there are many on the market now all with different qualities built in ... some claim low visabilty, others claim low stretch high stretch high abrasive resistance ,some pretty much say catches more fish cos it costs more... I tried jinkai and it pulled me through a couple of tough ones on the rocks... ones i thought i'd lose but my leader hung in so i stuck to it..became used to tying it and occasionally look at others like fluro carbons etc.. however if i want siffness or i'm fishing for tailor i might use doubled schneider for trace instead of wire.. there scissor like teeth find it harder to line up..because of its stiffness..like trying to cut through two pieces of string with a pair of scissors..it folds rather than severes. lb for lb as tested all line should have the same" as claimed" breaking strain... its the knot strength and the above mentioned qualities that make brands differ.. Edited September 19, 2006 by danielinbyron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 From your post it sounds as if the 120lb is a spool of fishing line and hence never intended for rigging up lures or live bait traces. Leader material has different qualities to fishing line even if it is pre test line and your 120lb is not an IGFA line class. Leader type mono is I believe more durable as the name states is for leaders so it is more abrasive resistant and less prone to nicks. I would have thought that if you are fishing wide and Marlin may come into play that 120lb leader is to light Jinkai is fine as are others and 160lb should be ok for small lures like the Pakuls cockroach and similar lures for small fin and marlin. On my larger lures I use 250lb and heavier. The leader size should not hinder the lure action and I generally crimp my mono leaders and have never had a problem. Your 120lb mono can be used on striped tuna type lures and for king fish other wise its bottom bashing off the shelf. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bashir Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Seen more than a few marlin caught on 125lb ande to know that 120lb would be fine for marlin fishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netic Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I have seen marlin caught on 120lb leader but i have seen more marlin snap 120lb leader in a second. When fishing for marlin i would always use 250lb or heavier. Mate after an 3 hour fight i would be very worried about 120lb leader and would feel much better if i knew it was 250lb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I am with Netic on this. I am yet to see a marlin of any worthy size (100kg and up) caught on 120lb mono and I’ve been involved in the capture/tag of hundreds of them spanning a period of better than 20 years. The bill would make very short work of the trace, in particular on line classes 15kg and up since you are able to put a bit stick on the fish. I have seen marlin in the order of 70kg (mainly little blacks) make short work of a 120lb trace. I would have little comfort tracing a Marlin on a light trace, particularly when we get on top of them quickly backing up, their green and experience tells you they will tail walk or greyhound while being traced. A 120lb trace will have a very high probability of popping and good bye Marlin, good bye lure. If you fish beyond the 80 fathom line you have every chance running into a Blue Marlin of 100kg plus and it would be fair to say you have very little to no chance (like buckleys) of taking that fish on 120lb mono line your using for a trace. If your lucky enough to go north and target the juveniles like those around Innisfail and the Bowling Green which are your 20kg to 30 kg marlin and your fishing 6kg then I might be comfortable with 120lb mono, only if I had no 180lb left. Fishing has a big element of chance in it. To think you can target the size and species of fish you wish to catch on lures in Sydney would be very naive. We have no structure or consistent current to concentrate the fish. So maximise your chances because an 80kg Marlin will be more than happy to crash a large lure, he just may also take a liking to your Christmas tree lure. Simply, it makes good sense to put the odds as best as you can in your favour, so go the heavier trace. Use the heaviest trace possible without impairing the action of the lure. You don't see many game boats doing the Cairns season or fishing Sydney pulling lures straight off 130lb (60Kg) outfits using the line as terminal tackle leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bashir Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 for livebaiting I've found the 125lb ande to be fantastic stuff, never had a fish come close to wearing through the trace either. Fish up to 100kg so far. Martin I never said it was the stuff for use for all marlin fishing especially cairns blacks. I'll keep fishing light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I'm with Bashir on this one. 125lb Ande is great material for live baiting and has done the job for us. Biggest fish so far on the stuff was a 123kg striped and the trace was fine. Other softer brands might not have done the job on that fish. Trace strength really depends on what line class you are running. In my opinion your trace strength should be around 4 times the strength of your main line. No good running 125lb leaders on 37kg outfits. The trace wouldn't last two minutes but on 15kg tackle it will last for hours. Try it and you will be suprised Cheers Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inked Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 thanks heaps for clearing that up for me fellas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefish Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 (edited) from my limited experience a blacks bill is like a sharp rasp and you wouldnt want to touch one without gloves, ever. i have and ran out of skin pretty quick. a stripes bill while not smooth, will not be as hard on gear or skin, still use gloves but. never seen a blue. watching the pakula cd the leader and its smoke trail are very visible underwater. it will be 200 for me this summer. some are hard as hell like ande and others like jinkai are soft once the outer layer is worn out. black magic make hard and supple trace. Edited September 19, 2006 by stevefish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylo Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 (edited) Guys, I am not catching marlin ... just small fish (comparatively !) I have a 2-4 kilo rating rod and am going to get 8lb fireline. Please tell me whether it is is imperative for me to get thie "flourocarbon leader" stuff or is 10lb clear mono line to the fireline OK for a beginner. Targetting flatties, bream, whiting etc. Thanks ! Edited March 29, 2007 by stylo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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