Try Hard For A Jewie And Think Harder For Five.

[jewgaffer]

It can certainly be frustrating for the novice jewfisherman. But keep putting in the time and you will be

rewarded at least to some degree. Jewies over the 15kg to 25kg are few and far between .

All of my jewie fishing is done off the rocks so i usually take 2 outfits,1 for bream and tailor and other for

jewies .I start for bream and if the bite goes off in a hurry usually it means something a whole lot bigger

is roaming the area so i switch and it pays off. (a reply i connected to by frantic in another topic)

i feel i should make this a new topic for the benefit other members and i wish to add the following in my post :-

{"if the bite goes off in a hurry... something a whole lot bigger is roaming the area"}

i believe the following is really good advice for fishos who target predator fish in estuaries and i believe it is a vital ingredient of the riddle when targetting fish such as jewies.

instead of packing up their gear "when the bite goes off" for what they are hoping to catch in general, fishos should think in accordance with what's natural and most likely to happen in accordance with the pecking order along the food chain for the very survival of a different species.

fishos should take time out to run a big livie or a big squid around as there is likely to be a reasonably quick change to an otherwise dissappointing day.

not many fishos would ever consider that a natural change occurs to the pecking order in regards to fish and they often call it a day if everything else suddeny goes dead quiet in a hurry and overlook a probable burst of predator activity at that particular location.

it is then up to the fisho to quickly burley bomb the bottom with parts of the same livies or big squid they are throwing at the predators to hold them there and catch good numbers of them instead of maybe just one.

i believe, instead of upping the ante fishos continue to use the wrong bait and wonder why when fish have dissapppeared the only hook ups they get after a further lengthy period are the expected freeks that come out of cracks and crevices to take those same wrong baits.

i would like to tell you from all my experience in targetting jewies my very best results have occurred using the big squid and big livie method and burleying more bow and stern bottom bombs of pieces of the same baits i'm using immediately after the peckers dissappear, rather than continuing to burley in the same manner when i elected to hold smaller fish and baitfish in one spot and using that methof at that time to attract jewies into participating.

so rather than wait on and continue in that same wrong manner on the day myself, being somewhat dependant by relying on previous results in the same conditions, i immediately "switch" and i up the ante and i haven't moved to another location and here come the jewies but i suppose i should use the words "at times here comes the jewies" so you won't think it is inferred as being easy

please air your views experiences and tactics or whether you'd move to another location or whether you would have mostly just called it a day.

i would love to hear from red and jewhunter up on the tweed on changing tactics and staying on or changing locations which i would do on the richmond or put the wire on at the richmond gap for bull sharks with beer batter,....like they might consider doing up there ay jewhunter >?

regards

jewgaffer

fish on

[choad]

i suggest we start a new forum titled "jewgaffer said..."

your input on this forum is gold.

thank you.

[bobfish]

i suggest we start a new forum titled "jewgaffer said..."

your input on this forum is gold.

thank you.

Im with you choad jewgaffer should be named jewking

[jewgaffer]

Im with you choad jewgaffer should be named jewking

nah bob don't like the name but here in the photo is the trifecta of jewking combo caught at the rail bridge of all places fit for a king and i in the photo and the third part of the trifecta is a pikie still floating backwards and forwards under a dairy farmers banana custard bottle.

the pikie was last sighted at the end of the colo river.

long live kinggees and kingcustard and may combo kingjew keep on keeping on at the eel bridge

we'll make it next week she's swinging nor/west wow bob pmjk/jgas2uwrkinck/jg

regards

jewgaffer

fish (well and truly) on

[mrelxr6]

im yet to catch a jew...and i dont mind what size i catch i just want to bag one..intersesting read

[Jewhunter]

You are certainly sharing some good info in your posts Jewgaffer & it is great to see! Members wanting to get into Jewies can find plenty of top notch advice on this site!

I've only been up here for 7 months & I haven't had a chance to target my beloved Jewies yet. I've put 1000's of hours into fishing for them in & around Sydney. I'd had it worked out for a few years & then I moved!

One spot I used to fish alot in Sydney was like clockwork. On the run in & top of the tide the pickers & Tailor would be at the squid strips. Squid would be attacking the livies. 30 mins after the turn of the tide they would disappear. The big slab baits & squid heads would go out. The rods would be in our hands at this time & it wouldn't take long.zzzzzzzz Jew time. Same as fishing a beach gutter. If you are catching Tailor & Salmon on dusk then why move when the bite shuts down? Fish are or have been feeding in that gutter so it stands to reason that a big Jew will cruise through that gutter after the sun goes down. Using the same fish you have been catching as bait often produces big results.

I really liked your post on barometric pressure & it's influence on Jew. You were spot on. As someone that keeps a log of my fishing trips I can vouch for the effects of the barometer on feeding patterns. It's not just Jewies or fish with large swim bladders that feel a low barometer. I have a pet Bass & he sulks when it's low & gets real fiery when it shoots up. It's great to watch. When it gets too high he sulks again.

Here's a question for you. Moon phases. What do you prefer? I've always found a waxing moon ( new to full ) much better than a waning moon. ( full to new ). I've found the new & 4 days after it to be prime time. The 4 days leading up to the full can be red hot as well when all the factors line up.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks for all your input. I've enjoyed reading your posts.

Cheers,

Grant.

[Guest Reely]

With my log for jews, i can say that the best times with regards to moon phase in my opinion is one week to 3 days before the full and new moons to be the best. On the actual nights of the change over moon i have found ok too but mostly in peak summer periods.

[warnie]

Hi boy's

Reading with interest the info in regard's to the jewfish

and was wondering if the same principal's apply............

to the fisho's that target this fish on close in reef's out side of the estuary

or does that open up a whole new way of predotary tactic's to this jewfish's

demeaner.............. i guess what i'm trying to say..does it feed and act

differently in the estuary than in the ocean ?

Cheers Warnie'

[jewgaffer]

Hi boy's

Reading with interest the info in regard's to the jewfish

and was wondering if the same principal's apply............

to the fisho's that target this fish on close in reef's out side of the estuary

or does that open up a whole new way of predotary tactic's to this jewfish's

demeaner.............. i guess what i'm trying to say..does it feed and act

differently in the estuary than in the ocean ?

Cheers Warnie'

ungry warnie your question is a good one, a little outside me giving you a confident answer though.

i do know it well and truly applies at certain times take away whalers like bull sharks in "close in reefs" and jewies are natural to most "close in reefs" and in only selective ocean reefs where they shed their eggs but my knowledge stops right there.

jewies are far from removed from being the same boss in the ocean due to the number of predator sharks and of course the grabbers and chokers the occies.

perhaps offshore bottom bashers could tell us more about this although the dominance of sharks in the ocean and my mention of occies will raise many eyebrows in reply and a new topic called "specifically targetting small occies for jewie bait" will arise and i'm gunna love that one as well.

thanks and cheers

jewgaffer

fish on

[Frantic]

OFF the rocks i find the 2 or 3 days either side of the new or full moon works best for the locations that

i go to. But i have hooked and landed a few in the middle of the changes at 10.00 am but the tide was about

1 hr after the top of the tide so i think that was in my favour.So you never know.

When i change over gear i dont move spots because i know it produces(try three jews in three casts ) and i have seen fisho's that have been there since 3 in the morning and as there leaving i ask them how they went they say "yeah got a couple of bream"and when i toss out a big bait and there's no pickers ,well my palms start to sweat and my hands tremble because if i get a hit its going to be decent and its always on the run so your rod becomes doubled over in a split second and then you just got to stop them.

I think the moon allows the jewies to hit baitfish like mullet and tailor from underneath as they see the

silhouettes a lot better . Imagine being a jewie sitting deep in the water in a eddie using no energy watching

schools of mullet pass overhead wow breakfast and dinner home delivery.

craig

[henryinnis]

Wow.... This info is all gold!

I find that we get gd bites like jewgaffer said, the fish disappear and everything goes quiet. I usually set the ratchet and then have a sleep !

Henry

[roosterman]

hi guys,

i remember an old mate of my dad that was a pro up the north coast years ago,bugger am i that old,never mind.. he told me that with the tide they move from the outer reefs hopping from one to the other along the dinnerplate highway to the beach gutters / headlands.. he would put us right onto them EVERY time.... would do this with snapper also but thats another story.... wish i knew 1% of what hes forgotten but oh well,i learnt enough as a young tike from him and dad to get me by.... so my answer is definitely YES different stategies with the outside jewies.... on that note the hawks is different from what i know to anywhere as jewgaffer has pointed out previously...... cheers .... steve....

Edited July 17, 2007 by roosterman

[bolan]

Wow Guys,

Don't stop there,

Brilliant thread

Cheers,

Stumpy

[jewgaffer]

You are certainly sharing some good info in your posts Jewgaffer & it is great to see! Members wanting to get into Jewies can find plenty of top notch advice on this site!

I've only been up here for 7 months & I haven't had a chance to target my beloved Jewies yet. I've put 1000's of hours into fishing for them in & around Sydney. I'd had it worked out for a few years & then I moved!

One spot I used to fish alot in Sydney was like clockwork. On the run in & top of the tide the pickers & Tailor would be at the squid strips. Squid would be attacking the livies. 30 mins after the turn of the tide they would disappear. The big slab baits & squid heads would go out. The rods would be in our hands at this time & it wouldn't take long.zzzzzzzz Jew time. Same as fishing a beach gutter. If you are catching Tailor & Salmon on dusk then why move when the bite shuts down? Fish are or have been feeding in that gutter so it stands to reason that a big Jew will cruise through that gutter after the sun goes down. Using the same fish you have been catching as bait often produces big results.

I really liked your post on barometric pressure & it's influence on Jew. You were spot on. As someone that keeps a log of my fishing trips I can vouch for the effects of the barometer on feeding patterns. It's not just Jewies or fish with large swim bladders that feel a low barometer. I have a pet Bass & he sulks when it's low & gets real fiery when it shoots up. It's great to watch. When it gets too high he sulks again.

Here's a question for you. Moon phases. What do you prefer? I've always found a waxing moon ( new to full ) much better than a waning moon. ( full to new ). I've found the new & 4 days after it to be prime time. The 4 days leading up to the full can be red hot as well when all the factors line up.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks for all your input. I've enjoyed reading your posts.

Cheers,

Grant.

i forgot to answer the moon question. i simply could not find a constant as to the best moon phases with jews nor could my dad but i can align one phase in particular which was always the worst.

i used to find when the ark of the moon was to the far right edge of the black, squid were vampiring the livies but every thing else was shut down including jews.

grant your quite right about a waining moon giving mediocre jew results. i've found bait fish being abundant down low, bream destroying your livies, with no jews among them and a shortage of jews and bull sharks when everything else disappeared as jimmy pointed out one night "when all the factors" did line up.

we had wasted about 4 hours than bang jimmy dropped a bull mullet he found in the tailor tank, down among a thousand tailor and got hit by a jew out of nowhere so i can't figure it.

but i think the moral of that episode is if there's a thousand mullet and no jews drop a pike or a mackeral out of season at them or a jaboulie squid full of sydney rock oysters or something more creative as jimmy would do. i might ask him if a cane toad will work. you've just got to meet him mate i reckon the water will be thrashed to white. i don't mind fishing backwards in the bow as i did last time when he placed me over a submerged cattapillar or a sunken mobile crane or something.

regards

jewgaffer

fish on

[jewgaffer]

hi guys,

i remember an old mate of my dad that was a pro up the north coast years ago,bugger am i that old,never mind.. he told me that with the tide they move from the outer reefs hopping from one to the other along the dinnerplate highway to the beach gutters / headlands.. he would put us right onto them EVERY time.... would do this with snapper also but thats another story.... wish i knew 1% of what hes forgotten but oh well,i learnt enough as a young tike from him and dad to get me by.... so my answer is definitely YES different stategies with the outside jewies.... on that note the hawks is different from what i know to anywhere as jewgaffer has pointed out previously...... cheers .... steve....

hi roosterman.

i must have overlooked you reply and i am glad i found it.

i am very impressed by what your dad said in the statement below

"he told me that with the tide they move from the outer reefs hopping from one to the other along the dinnerplate highway to the beach gutters / headlands.."

yes roosterman this statement gets the gold mate . my own dad used to say that jewies use the same old boring highways everyday and that they are very self sufficient and you have to really have to give them good stuff to hook them. things like hitting them with a chocolate when there were a lot of lollies around. if you know what i mean

....."move from the outer reefs hopping from one to the other along the dinnerplate highway to the beach gutters / headlands.."

i like the replies to this topic and would love to read more imput thru this topic on the jewie subject

so jakjayno1.... jay give us city blokes a bit of info on the tweed and the ballina jewies mate. tell them why you, fish kill phil, and jimmy bowers know pricisely when to put the wire on and what the bream do to our bull mullet .

but jay don't them what we do to the bloody bream

cheers roosterman thanks for your great comments

jewgaffer