pelican Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 (edited) G'day I need to update to a new epirb so am organising a bulk buy- everyone who needs one must have one by 1st july 2008 not feb 2009 like many think. I like the safety aspects of the new system and will also the GPS ones if at the right price. Although the new system doesn't actually get turned off till next year I'm hearing that due to different individual state legislation the law actually changes earlier than the cut off date and police and waterways will be enforcing it then not at the system close date. I am going to try and confirm that date if no one knows it. edit see below edit - just found legislation - legal NSW change date is 1 july 2008 Law only passed in march this year. http://www.advertising.nswp.commerce.nsw.g.../28th_March.pdf Page 2470 or just search epirb Clause 1 Boating (Safety Equipment) Amendment Regulation 2008 Boating (Safety Equipment) Amendment Regulation 2008 under the Maritime Services Act 1935 1 Name of Regulation This Regulation is the Boating (Safety Equipment) Amendment Regulation 2008. 2 Amendment of Boating (Safety Equipment) Regulation—N.S.W. The Boating (Safety Equipment) Regulation—N.S.W. is amended by omitting from Schedule 1 the matter relating to Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon (EPIRB) and by inserting instead the following matter: Emergency position indicating radio beacon (EPIRB) Before 1 July 2008, an emergency position indicating radio beacon (EPIRB) that: (a) is suitable for marine use, and ( complies with Australian/New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 4330.1:2006 or Australian/New Zealand Standard AS/NZS 4280.1:2003, and © has an operational frequency of 121.5/243.0 or 406 MHz, and (d) if it has an operational frequency of 406MHz, has been registered with the Australian Maritime Safety Authority and has affixed to it a registration sticker from that Authority, and (e) has been maintained and serviced in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions. NSW Maritime will also remind offshore boaters – recreational and commercial - about the need to switch over to a 406 MHz emergency position indicating radio beacon (EPIRB) by 1 July 2008, ahead of 1 February 2009 when the signal for the 121.5 MHz beacons will no longer be monitored by satellite or aircraft Bit slack of wholesalers and retailers to be selling old ones still when they only have an legal use till 1st July this year even at a discount as many boaters wouldn't know about law change. Has anyone seen any on special in the sponsors stores or elsewhere? Is there only 3 brands to choose from? Anyone else interested in buying several together to get a good price? I saw one brand having a free / service / battery update after 5 years but havent't made the call to see if it is totally free. Anyone got any suggestions?? Thanks PM Me if you'd prefer and if I get a few people who need them I'll get a price and PM back or just get sponsors toPM us directly with an offer?. Edited May 27, 2008 by pelican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shefford Posted May 25, 2008 Share Posted May 25, 2008 (edited) Weird up here in Qld, since we just finished the local boat show. Many articles in the paper and tv reports state multiple dates, 1st January 2009, 1st November (referenced to maritime qld). Wish they would stop changing the dates and set one I'm lookign for one with inbuilt gps and alot of main safety factors that the lower market doesn't have, let me know what you guys end up getting or have! Edited May 25, 2008 by iricangi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelican Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 (edited) Weird up here in Qld, since we just finished the local boat show. Many articles in the paper and tv reports state multiple dates, 1st January 2009, 1st November (referenced to maritime qld). Wish they would stop changing the dates and set one I'm lookign for one with inbuilt gps and alot of main safety factors that the lower market doesn't have, let me know what you guys end up getting or have! Because it is on when your state parliament introduces the law it is different in every state. In QLD I am not sure of the date but believe it is 1st november I heard they had good prices up at the shows?? (edit just checked gazetted may 2 2008 , enforced from 1 November 2008.) The GPS ones give a more accurate position earlier and seem to have a quicker warm up to transmit the signal. I'll let you know if we get something sorted. Edited May 27, 2008 by pelican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parad0x Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickman Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 hey pelican put me down for 2 just found out mine will also be out off date gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamtime Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 G'day I need to update to a new epirb - everyone who needs one must have one by 1st july 2008.. Like the safety aspects of the new system and also the GPS ones if at the right price. Anyone else interested in buying several together to get a good price? PM Me if you'd prefer and if I get a few people who need them I'll get a price and PM back or just get sponsors toPM us directly with an offer?. Believe it or not, they are not mandatory here - even in our commercial vessels that travel as far as Vanuatu? We are constantly travelling 200 to 300 miles east of here and I have them in my vessels. But I am the only "white" operator and we have satphones as well. I would suffice to say that 95% of the passenger vessels do not have an EPIRB, however most of the commercial fishing vessels do but theirs will obviously expire also. I will check with fisheries and see if we could possibly procure for them also. Cheers I would be interested in 3 for my commercial vessels - still have the old frequency. We are monitored from Canberra and then alerts are relayed to our marine department. Depending on price, may look at total of 5 to include my pleasure boats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelican Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 (edited) Hi Mariner If you can double check that the country region is correct for the registration that would be good as each country / region is given a code in the epirbs and it I am not sure if it is just by monitoring station. I'll ask at this end as well. I've gotta ask - what rescue services are over there or are you it and is that why they don't bother?!!! Is there patrol boats or navy or any french stationed there?? Do the helicopters etc even have direction finding gear? I'll start a list and edit it as people show interest Couple have asked how it will work - I'll get numbers , get sponsors to get a best price for us , double check confirmed numbers at price of GPS and non GPS version , sort payment and delivery. I'm only doing it the once and only those who show interest will see the final pricing via PM. Thanks to those interested so far. Pel Pelican 1 another 1 possible Considering GPS ones Brickman 2 Iricangi 1 Paradox 1 Mariner 3 another 2 possible - need to confirm country code details Solomons seperate country code 557. Aust is code 503 scienceman 1 robbielites 1 gps one - already has standard 406 onelastcast 1 GPS version chewsta 1 volitans 1 BFB 1 wonka 1 tunofun 1 sammy0884 1 netic 1 lukeric 1 kingykid 1 double pluggers 1 pappy1 1 peschi boi 1 poss GPS sparky 1 Christopher Knight 1 billfisher 1 le pasha 1 GPS evets 1 boofhead 1 GPS daggy 1 Varos1911 1 pirate pete 2 GPS troutcod 1 Deek 1 keepin_tabs 1 4strokn 1 backlash 1 GPS Chapo123 1 paul_ie 1 28-12 Edited June 5, 2008 by pelican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamtime Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 (edited) Hi Mariner If you can double check that the country region is correct for the registration that would be good as each country / region is given a code in the epirbs and it I am not sure if it is just by monitoring station. I'll ask at this end as well. I've gotta ask - what rescue services are over there or are you it and is that why they don't bother?!!! Is there patrol boats or navy or any french stationed there?? Do the helicopters etc even have direction finding gear? Hi Pel, Will check with marine with regards to your first question. Rescue services here are basically nil. Our vessels have been seconded probably 10 times in the last 2 to 3 years to do search and rescue. In fact we rescued 22 persons from a deflating liferaft about 2 years ago where 4 other vessels could not manage the conditions and had to withdraw. They were all within 20 miles of the sinking vessel. We travelled 85 miles and just got to them on dark. 2 life rafts, one of which was half deflated. Even though we are in the tropics, the persons rescued were all in a state of shock, shivering and I think with the condition of the raft, would have struggled to remain alive overnight as seas were 10 to 12 metres. This rescue made it onto world news as follows; www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?id=18185&op=read - 7k Radio New Zealand International, The Voice of New Zealand, Broadcasting to the Pacific Te Reo Irirangi O Aotearoa, O Te Moana-Nui-A-Kiwa Accessibility Information My RNZI Go to Site Menu Solomons marine officials probe ferry sinking after rescuers save 60 passengers Posted at 01:38 on 22 July, 2005 UTC Marine authorities in Solomon Islands are investigating how a passenger ferry sank on its way to the capital, Honiara. All 60 passengers and the crew of the MV Liofai are safe and sound after the vessel sank 16 kilometres from West Marou Bay off Makira. Two banana boats took the passengers to shore before the ship went down. The crew took to liferafts and another vessel, the MV Kaona, picked them up late last night. The senior marine officer at the search and rescue unit, Brian Aonima, is preparing a report. “We will be conducting the enquiry with the crews and the captain into how the incident occurred. It depends on the report and the submissions that we will make to the board of enquiries, to conduct the enquiry.” Sources say police will be looking at possible breaches of maritime law by the ship’s master and crew. ***************************************************************************** Pel, we have been involved in plenty of "tows" where vessels are in no immediate danger but have had engine problems. We also have had to do search and rescue for lost passengers from "banana or long boats" as you call them, but unfortunately these have resulted in retrieving deceased persons only. There are 2 "Patrol" boats here, which were donated by the Australian Govt, as they do for other Pacific countries also. These would be 13 or 14 years old now as they had their "half life" (9years) servive some 5 years ago. Don't know what is planned after their retirement. Below is a picture of 1 of the 2 identical vessels. They have occassionally done rescues but only when close up to their base. Trust this is of some information Cheers Carl P.S. I think only 2 private helicopters in the country currently on lease to RAMSI. Rarely, due to cost, are they ever used for marine search and rescue Edited May 27, 2008 by Mariner 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scienceman Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Not sure why every boat owner on this site hasnt replied, must be hundreds I would have thought. Put me on the list and I will decide once you know the price. Good work on this, bringing it to eveybodies attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewsta Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Hi Pel, I would also definitely be interested in getting a price etc on this, thanks. cheers mate Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbielites Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Count me in as well please. Some interesting reading on EPIRBs and GPS EPIRBs Robbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volitans Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 up here in Townsville we have our annual "boat & Fishing expo" this weekend (next weekend - i think- it travels to the Whitsundays, down the road) and I will be asking questions of suppliers regarding the new reg's regarding epirbs as I haven't heard anything up here. Assuming I get the answers I'd expect I'll be keen to join you in any bulk buy offer. Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFB Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 I will be interested in one, depending on price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelican Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 (edited) Not sure why every boat owner on this site hasnt replied, must be hundreds I would have thought. Put me on the list and I will decide once you know the price. Good work on this, bringing it to eveybodies attention. Hi Not sure either Scienceman , maybe everyone has already bought one already as they are much better but really I just think a lot aren't aware that the law changes on 1st july this year for NSW boaters and were hoping to put it off as long as possible. A lot of members wouldn't do offshore work but the limit without a EPIRB is only 2 miles ( from memory) and even FADS are outside that. Anyone who fishes on someone elses boat should check the EPIRB out and make sure it is a 406mhz one if going offshore. Going out the heads without one would be pretty stupid. I heard about it a month ago , kept quiet and was waiting for "special" to happen but there hasn't been any. This law change happens before the boatshow in Syd and not many special prices on accessories there anyway. Have noted everyones interest and a few via PM and next week I'll get a price for those who have enquired and firm up the numbers when everyone works out they need one. Pel Edited May 28, 2008 by pelican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scienceman Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 My guess is that most, me included before your activities, are intending to update in the next 6 months as the old system wont be turned off yet and it is not likely to be enforced until then, despite legislation. I dont really expect there will be any sales for this essential item but waiting another 6 months means an extra months battery life when it is purchased. However if you can get it for a cheaper bulk purchase this will offset the cost of the shorter battery life so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelican Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 (edited) My guess is that most, me included before your activities, are intending to update in the next 6 months as the old system wont be turned off yet and it is not likely to be enforced until then, despite legislation. I dont really expect there will be any sales for this essential item but waiting another 6 months means an extra months battery life when it is purchased. However if you can get it for a cheaper bulk purchase this will offset the cost of the shorter battery life so why not? Hi Scienceman What alerted me to do this was a friend who works in "enforcement" had meetings regarding dates when they start doing it. They are being told not to go soft on safety stuff as they could become liable so a bit more of their discretion is going away so they will have to revenue raise rather than warn and the guys on the front line don't like that as $ doesn't come back to them and confrontation is never as pleasant- wrecks their nice days on the water. Weird they have these meetings but aren't having meeting to run advertising in magazines or arrange with other govt departs to mail out notification or a sign at boat ramps. It is like road rules - up to us to know. Mishaps with sinkings offshore and accidents in "calm waters"all resulting in deaths are leading to a lot of internal politics going on. I thought Coast Guard , VMR, BIA , Maritime , Police, Fisheries, Yachting Australia , NMSA , CASA for aircraft ,magazine editors, fisheries minister, fishing and outdoors party, retailers and manufacturers who make money out of change over would all be on the ball but they don't seem to be. Waiting doesn't really give you much extra battery time as they are batched and some have 7 year shelf life and a 5-6 year operating life. The manufacturers know this and will have stock but strangely after having a chat with them yesterday they have no idea how many boats need them and not sure of their market share so they don't know how many to build. Out of 3 manufacturing companies I spoke to none had a clear idea of how many boats require them so they don't know if they have enough or too much stock. All I think are conservative and won't have too much stock and manufacture lead times are 8-12 weeks on country specific stuff I've dealt with??? Bigger retailers use just in time methods of stock control as they have no idea on number required either. I think you can work out what I'm saying - could be a glut of epirbs - unlikely or the opposite come July 1 2008 You are right - we should get a good price and be safer sooner and not have to worry about the rush around july1 if there is one. We are talking about approx $1-1.50 per week saved by delaying purchase. Simply a false ecconomy. Will put a post in sale and swap today so everyone has a chance to see it and sort out numbers next week. Pel Edited May 29, 2008 by pelican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason baker Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Pelican, I'm interested, not sure if gps or not depending on the price, probably gps. Thanks mate, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cknight Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I would be interested as well, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelican Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 No worries you're added to the list. Anyone else as I'm going to try and sort out prices and finalize how many early in the week Pel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Pasha Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Put me on the list for 1 GPS version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evets Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 (edited) Pelican, Im intetested as well depending on price Evets Edited June 1, 2008 by Evets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mik Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Add me to your list for a gps please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dario1au Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 definitly interested in purchasing one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate pete Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 Please add me to the list for 2 GPS style Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deek Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I'd be interested as well, depending on price. Cheers deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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