Richard1 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) For the purpose of chasing Kingfish and Jewfish, i have bought an UglyStik Tiger USP-BWS22012 2 piece 7 foot rod. I have my Jarvis Walker Ceratec 4000 reel with some 20lb mono backing and 20lb suffix braid. But i forgot to buy fluorocarbon. what rating fluorocarbon should i use for these species? Or should i look into some other material? Not mono i am guessing? As the 20lb mono i have was 7 dollars for 380 meters..so its 0.45mm thick.. i might use it for a bit of a whippersnippering later..do the edging in the garden.. i was leaning toward 30lb vanish leader material. what do you guys use on your jew/king rods? i also mention i am very new to the "having a fish that can snap you off if you don't tire it out" thing. and was very surprised when something almost pulled me off the wharf on Monday night. I wasn't letting go, and IT wasn't letting go. but the 12lb mono was the weak link in that fight.. so any tips on how to tire a fish out will help me too Its killing me that the weather is so bad at the moment. my brand new setup just sitting in the corner waiting for its first thrashing! on another note..i accidentally bought 4/0 Gamakatsu Gangster hooks instead of 4/0 Suicide hooks. these hooks have the open eyes that can be closed with pliers, will these work just as well if I just close them up by themselves? I have heard they are weaker around the eye than a factory closed eye hook and they open up slightly with a big enough pull(big jew/king etc). Any thoughts? Edited May 22, 2009 by Richard1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewgaffer Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 For the purpose of chasing Kingfish and Jewfish, i have bought an UglyStik Tiger USP-BWS22012 2 piece 7 foot rod. I have my Jarvis Walker Ceratec 4000 reel with some 20lb mono backing and 20lb suffix braid. But i forgot to buy fluorocarbon...... ........what rating fluorocarbon should i use for these species? Or should i look into some other material? ...... Any thoughts? Hi Richard.... I can't say I know your Tiger USP-BWS 220122-2piece model... What does the line rating say on the rod is it lighter than my Tiger Rods which are stamped 10-50lbs ? ...Do you have any more info on it, source etc, maybe made for the UK market?..... There is a downrigger model lighter than mine and other model Tigers that I know of, but mine are stamped BWS2201-2 10-50lb Sigma and Ugly stik Tiger on the other side of the butt...... My originals have Fuji guides including a big 50mm Fuji first guide which suits both Penn ss reels and Alveys and the early 2000 models of which I gifted to three to friends up north including a well known rod maker, are exactly the same rods with the same Fuji guides but have the same 40mm first guides that they are using today.... I use 80lb braid line and 80lb leader up north and 60lb leader down here mainly jingkai, shogun or black magic..... I rather like using fluro leader like vanish on the lighter rods but at the heavy lines it becomes expensive replacing leaders on 4 to 6 rods every session and 8 rods when others are using the Tigers... Cheers jewgaffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard1 Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) thats the thing.. it has the big first fuji guide and good fuji reel seats and guides...and thats the model number on it. but it did say made in china on the tearoff bit it is 6 - 10 KG im slightly disappointed i bought a crap one then .. and it was 119 dollars if that gives you an indication on it.. i read your post about them and went out and bought the exact model number you have. somehow i got a dud... its USP-BWS22012 uglystick platinum etcetc 6 -10 KG .. i will have to take a photo tonight. "USP-BWS2201-2 2pc 2.10m/7'0 ''6-10kg M Spin" Edited May 22, 2009 by Richard1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hottyscotty Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 i would vary the leader strength if possible. sometimes you need a lighter leader to get the fish to bite. a lost fish is better than no hook-ups. but my leaders never go below the strength of the mainline. 30lbs vanish is a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard1 Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 being that the rod isn't as heavy as i thought Jewgaffer, what fluorocarbon do you recommend? i am land based 99.9% of the time as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewgaffer Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) thats the thing.. it has the big first fuji guide and good fuji reel seats and guides...and thats the model number on it. but it did say made in china on the tearoff bit it is 6 - 10 KG im slightly disappointed i bought a crap one then .. and it was 119 dollars if that gives you an indication on it.. i read your post about them and went out and bought the exact model number you have. somehow i got a dud... its USP-BWS22012 uglystick platinum etcetc 6 -10 KG .. i will have to take a photo tonight. "USP-BWS2201-2 2pc 2.10m/7'0 ''6-10kg M Spin" being that the rod isn't as heavy as i thought Jewgaffer, what fluorocarbon do you recommend? i am land based 99.9% of the time as well. Richard that is one helluva sporty and sensitive rod at the 6kilos on bigger fish and the 12kilo backbone will perform nicely for back bone over any straight 6kilo rod regardless of price.... it's not one of the American model Bigwater range which includes the yellow Tiger Rods, but I found out it's a top of the line platinum bluewater rod made in China out of a U.S. blank designed to take over the market in the Asia Pacific region under strict quality control and are also sold in Australia.... They are a great seller for Burrundi fishermen in the top end so don't be disappointed for a second, hang onto it mate it's a strong sporty rod with a huge warranty, you would never get a rod over here half as good as that at that price, and their price is based on the numbers sold...... Edit - Up to 40 lb braid for the reel and no problem using up 30lb fluro leader, the rod will toy with 15 lb fish and 30 lb fish will need to be slowed down with the rod more than the reel you have Cheers jewgaffer Edited May 22, 2009 by jewgaffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard1 Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) sweet! thats great news, ill try 30 lb vanish. the rods warranty is "unbreakable under normal fishing conditions" damn weather!!! i want to play with it on the weekend! when i get my new reel, which i haven't decided on what to get yet ill load that with 60 lb braid. and 80 lb vanish. and it should make a cracker of a kingfish rod i think Edited May 22, 2009 by Richard1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewgaffer Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) sweet! thats great news, ill try 30 lb vanish. .....when i get my new reel, which i haven't decided on what to get yet ill load that with 60 lb braid. and 80 lb vanish. and it should make a cracker of a kingfish rod i think Richard if you want a good match, Penn 750ssm is the latest ss model quality controlled in the U.S. plant in China also top value for money and is the natural combo for your 6-12 kilo platinum rod ....I am happy to use 80lb braid and 60lb wind on leader on their old 17lb (8kilo) U.S. President model rod coupled with a 90's model 750ss as a downrigger rod on kingfish just for the fun of using a lighter rod with a fast taper and a great reel behind it..... Cheers jewgaffer Edited May 22, 2009 by jewgaffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard1 Posted May 25, 2009 Author Share Posted May 25, 2009 how should i rig all this up by the way? In terms of a jewfish rig? i tried the rod out on sunday night. wow i am NOT used to such a heavy rod! i find it really hard to cast long distances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewgaffer Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 (edited) how should i rig all this up by the way? In terms of a jewfish rig? i tried the rod out on sunday night. wow i am NOT used to such a heavy rod! i find it really hard to cast long distances. Hi Richard the rod is only 7' long so dont be afraid to add extra bait weight at the expense of extra lead until you find the sweet spot in the rod to get the best distance with a large bait for your jew and keep the bait size constant even if it means using three hooks down the leader and pinning a few scaled fillets together back to back flesh out and to increase the length of the bait, or coupling up a couple of squid or a slab of fish attached to a whole squid will make a decent splash when it lands in the water.......using a shorter leader length around 50cms also helps to get distance landbased......I use snelled 8/0 live bait hooks each hook about six inches apart...also don't be afraid to use a heavy claw sinker as a short drop shot sinker with a very long lightweight streamlined bait as an alternative on the beach, that will whip around and give a better cast....you'll get to find that jew are not shy by any means, it's a challenge for them to drag the whole lot off the bottom and they hook themselves up while trying to crush hooks as well... Cheers jewgaffer Edited May 25, 2009 by jewgaffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard1 Posted May 25, 2009 Author Share Posted May 25, 2009 should the drop shot sinker be running free on the whole line(with double uniknots joining braid to fluorocarbon) or am i meant to be segmenting the line by having a swivel from the braid to the leader? If so, which side should the sinker go? clip the sinker to the swivel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewgaffer Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 (edited) should the drop shot sinker be running free on the whole line(with double uniknots joining braid to fluorocarbon) or am i meant to be segmenting the line by having a swivel from the braid to the leader? If so, which side should the sinker go? clip the sinker to the swivel? No worrys Richard, use a long paternosta for the bait with a piece of tubing, lumo if you like, to make it stand out separately from the line to the drop shot which should be a claw or anchor style sinker on the sand or use a 120lb three way swivel and fling out two short paternostas..... with this particular style of sinker always tie it on the bottom of the rig as a fixed sinker with dead bait as opposed to a running sinker where you can have a live bait run thru the line to a claw sinker which you use if need be to hold position in a running surf etc...as to hook up rate the fish will come to a sudden stop when it runs off with a dead bait when it pulls it against a tight drag and/or an embedded claw sinker, and if the fish misses the hooks just leave it there, it's put the work in, it will come back for it...ignore all bites just monitor the bait situation by feeling for the weight of the bait which should be heavier than the lead to get distance on that short heavy weight rod on the beach and a big bait is a plus anyway.....move the bait occasionally by winding in a couple of turns or if no action, jig a little and let it rest to change position and bring attention to the movement of the sinker disturbing the sand and the bait will be sitting in front of it as it will fly out or be wound back to be ahead of the sinker when using a longer paternosta on a short leader to sinker rig.... Cheers jewgaffer Edited May 25, 2009 by jewgaffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard1 Posted May 25, 2009 Author Share Posted May 25, 2009 No worrys Richard, use a long paternosta for the bait with a piece of tubing, lumo if you like, to make it stand out separately from the line to the drop shot which should be a claw or anchor style sinker on the sand or use a 120lb three way swivel and fling out two short paternostas..... with this particular style of sinker always tie it on the bottom of the rig as a fixed sinker with dead bait as opposed to a running sinker where you can have a live bait run thru the line to a claw sinker which you use if need be to hold position in a running surf etc...as to hook up rate the fish will come to a sudden stop when it runs off with a dead bait when it pulls it against a tight drag and/or an embedded claw sinker, and if the fish misses the hooks just leave it there, it's put the work in, it will come back for it...ignore all bites just monitor the bait situation by feeling for the weight of the bait which should be heavier than the lead to get distance on that short heavy weight rod on the beach and a big bait is a plus anyway.....move the bait occasionally by winding in a couple of turns or if no action, jig a little and let it rest to change position and bring attention to the movement of the sinker disturbing the sand and the bait will be sitting in front of it as it will fly out or be wound back to be ahead of the sinker when using a longer paternosta on a short leader to sinker rig.... Cheers jewgaffer thanks heaps. i cant wait to get out there again now! i bought some 30 lb vanish leader and 3 pyramid sinkers with the steel loops in them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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