Spinning Reel - LBG

[Big Berg]

Hey Fellow Raiders,

I am looking for a new spinning reel to use off the rocks.

I had my eye on the Daiwa Saltist or the Okuma Salina II.

I didn't want to spend much more given that it will just be used off the rocks and will probably cop a beating.

Does anyone have one of these reels or advice on which the better option will be.

I will be targeting the kings, bonitos, salmon and maybe even some tuna.

Any advise will be greatly appreciated

thanks

[LBG.]

Saltist. All Okuma gear I've used (quite a bit of it) has failed. Never had any probs with the Saltist 4500H. I also use a Saltist LD30H to livebait and it's never given me probs.

Just make sure you take the bail arm assembly apart the second you take it out of the box and lube it up, as the roller has little-no grease and will seize. And do it regularly.

And I don't see how your gear will cop a beating if yopu treat it with respect? Yes, they all gt rock rash, but they shouldn't be thrown around anyway. And if you're serious and do lay into big fish, you don't want to be using cheap gear!

[rockfisherman]

Keeping the weight of your gear down is important, but at the same time needs to be robust, especially if you're going to be smashing lures out for a good period of time. For live baiting you would go for something bigger I hear what you're saying about your gear copping a beating, its not as if you're going to be throwing it all over the stones, but over time bumps and scratches will occur.

My lure casting outfit consists of a 10ft Ugly Stik Platinum 6-10kg, a very light rod, but still very tough, and at about $120, I make it do things I wouldnt normally do with a graphite rod, and thats coupled with a Shimano stradic 8000 to get the speed i need when retreiving metals, bonus with the Stradic FI is you get a spare spool, and belive me when I say eventually it will come in handy. I have 30lb fireline on it, all I ever got with other types of braid was cast knots, yes its a bit stiff at first but it eventually softens up.

Cheers

[Mr.KingSpooled]

Saltist all the way. I use a 10ft 8-12kg Ugly Stik Platinum matched with a saltist 6500H. Its a little bit heavy, but if your live baiting off the stones and that it should do you jus fine. Very sturdy reel, holds around 15kg of drag maybe more with an upgrade of drag washers, very well built reel because its simple no fancy stuff.

Ive never had a problem with my reel on any fish of any size. Can feel the bites off the smallest breams to the pull of the bigger jew/kings without a problem.

Hope you make the right choice, happy shopping.

Jez

[Big Berg]

Thanks heaps guys. I was actually leaning towards the saltist. Just need to determine was size I want. I'm thinking the 4500 with 30lb braid

[eyevan]

Hi Big Berg,

Well i've got a Wilson FSU5120 10-20kg rod with a Shimano Saragosa 14000f with carbontex upgrade, it's quite a heavy set up, but very good if you hook up to something big.

Hopefully this helps.

[abecedarian]

I'd have to say the sustain is a nice reel too. Definitely give it a thumbs up! It has the higher retrieve ratio for extra speed which is good off the rocks compared with the twin power, otherwise there's not much (if any) difference. I recently bought an 8000 sized one overseas, same physical size as the 6000 but with greater line capacity and strangely enough a few grams lighter... I don't have a warranty with it being sold off shore, but it cost me $180 delivered, so with that saving I'm willing to risk it. And being a shimano I don't expect any troubles.

I have fished the rocks a fair bit in my time and if you look at my gear you'd be doing well to find a scratch! If you take care rock fishing is no harder on your gear than any other type of fishing...

[framedtrash]

i would take the salina ova the saltist

saltist is too heavy to be holding and fishing with all day

salina are nice reels

[LBG.]

Thanks heaps guys. I was actually leaning towards the saltist. Just need to determine was size I want. I'm thinking the 4500 with 30lb braid

That's exactly what I use and is quite common on the rocks all up and down the coast. I am thinking of going back to 20lb though, the 30 is more like pulling in an anchor rope sometimes.

i would take the salina ova the saltist

saltist is too heavy to be holding and fishing with all day

salina are nice reels

The Salina's are nice reels, but if it's getting used often it just won't last. I've been through a Salina, Salina II, and a V55a, and they've all failed. The Salina II I actually bought after the Saltist with the exact thoughts you have, and I ended up selling it 8 sessions later. Bail arm comes back (lots of lost lures!!! ), drag doesn't handle long runs, and the handle snapped off too mid retrieve!

For the price Saltists are now (I paid $380 for mine), I don't think you can go wrong.

[Big Berg]

Yeah depending on the size you can pick up a saltist between $220 to $260.

[LBG.]

I've seen them second hand between $150-$200, with braid.

[kulch]

What about the Thunnus 12000

My mate got one and its epic, its a baitrunner of the T1000 variety......better than a genie bottle you just rub the bail, and a fish strikes

[Big Berg]

I already have a baitrunner. I was specifically after a lightweight spinning outfit with a decent drag. Do Shimano do any high speed spinning reels besides the Stella?

[abecedarian]

The sustain is pretty high speed... So is the stradic on the lower end of decent gear.

[slinkymalinky]

Hey BB,

If speed is one of the key things for you, in that price range it's worth considering a Daiwa Sealine Bull (NOT the Opus Bull).

The ultimate measure of retrieve speed is the amount of line recovered per turn of the handle. This isn't just a factor of gearing but also of spool diameter. The wider the spool, the more line recovered per revolution.

The Sealine Bull has a really high line recovery rates. Pretty high gearing (5.8:1 from memory with mine) combined with a massive spool diameter.

The only thing I don't like about it is the spool knob which has a molded in chrome plastic 'decorative bit' that potentially could catch line. I replaced mine with a suitable knob from another Daiwa model (can't remember which one but got it through Daiwa).

Cheers, Slinky

[Catchin Jack]

May be worth checking out the new Pflueger Salt & Crank reels, you can read up on them at the Pure Fishing website. Have spoken to a couple of people that have tested them and they reckon they're great, especially the Salt.

[Big Berg]

Hey BB,

If speed is one of the key things for you, in that price range it's worth considering a Daiwa Sealine Bull (NOT the Opus Bull).

The ultimate measure of retrieve speed is the amount of line recovered per turn of the handle. This isn't just a factor of gearing but also of spool diameter. The wider the spool, the more line recovered per revolution.

The Sealine Bull has a really high line recovery rates. Pretty high gearing (5.8:1 from memory with mine) combined with a massive spool diameter.

The only thing I don't like about it is the spool knob which has a molded in chrome plastic 'decorative bit' that potentially could catch line. I replaced mine with a suitable knob from another Daiwa model (can't remember which one but got it through Daiwa).

Cheers, Slinky

Thanks Slinky. I have been looking at the stats for the sealine bull and its pretty impressive. I just haven't come across this reel in my local tackle stores so I will do a bit more research. The reel seems to be reasonably priced. The Daiwa website also notes that it has a 15kg rating. However I did notice that the spool capacity isn't as good as the Saltist. I was hoping to put on 50lb braid on though. Thats why I was looking at the Saltist (which can hold up to 300m of 40-60lb Braid). The Sealine Bull only holds 145m of 40lb Braid

thanks

[Big Berg]

May be worth checking out the new Pflueger Salt & Crank reels, you can read up on them at the Pure Fishing website. Have spoken to a couple of people that have tested them and they reckon they're great, especially the Salt.

Thanks Leo.

I haven't really heard much about the Salt series. I will look into it

cheers

[Catchin Jack]

No worries mate, Pflueger have been around for a long time and make quality products but aren't pushed as hard in advertising as shimano and diawa but are as good if not better than those reels in certain areas, they're also usually cheaper.

[bennoz]

you could try the shakespeare reel - the sigma 2200.

http://www.purefishing.com.au/reels/shakespeare/spin/sigma-2200-spin/

ive got the 70size.

its built like a brick shitehouse, which is great for on the stones.

Holds a heck of a lot of line. Fast retrieve ratio. smooth action and really good drag

i looked at the sealine bull, but decided on this as money was a big factor and the sigma is quite a bit cheaper - even got $90 worth of braid on it. Have been super happy with it.

[joshot15]

I have a Daiwa Sea Jigger teamed with a Daiwa Sea Gate 3500h and 20lb braid. total cost was about $500. This has caught me about 40 fish off the stones and is still going strong.. It says that you can cast lures up to 100gms but i wouldn't push it past 60gms.

[LBG.]

IMO if you're going over 60g you're better off with a good overhead casting combo, and crank it up to a 6+ ratio for High speed spin. Much comfier to throw all day.