ffallcve Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 (edited) G'day raiders... So, I went to a Gymea Bay Baths Reserve (which I've been frequenting quite a bit of late) on Tuesday arvo from 2pm-7:30pm... Here were the conditions for the day, we basically tried to be there for the tide coming in and bit on the way out: I've had mixed success of late but Tuesday was disheartening to say the least...a week prior I caught about 25 fish in total , but kept only 3 legal snapper and 1 legal bream... This visit, only 2 little snapper and nothing else ...frustrating to say the least, but I must admit that one of the reason I go there is because it is such a beautiful scenic spot... Got to the spot and burley'd up the water a bit with a mixture of stale breadcrumbs, bit of smelly parmesan, tuna oil and sea water - yes my fish eat well So, bait I used consisted of chicken marinated in parmesan and a bit of tuna oil, skirt steak, thawed pilchards and thawed squid hood... Here are the rigs that I usually use when going out: So, again, frustrating to say the least that I really had no luck at all that arvo...I don't think I mentioned it, but I went the Friday before and pretty much had the same kind of mis-fortune... To add salt to the wound, 2 hours into our session, 3 guys came down and started fishing a few metres away from us in shallower waters, and 10 min into their session, they've landed a whopper of a Kingfish on pilchards...my mate and I just look at each other and no words were needed...we weer just like "What the...???"... Here's a shot of the bath area with us fishing in the green section and them in the purple: We were fishing in deeper water and these guys were in water no deeper that I reckon 2-3m...it was as though they were saying "there's another one, there's another one, cast it there"... I've never really felt like throwing the rod in, but I'm borderline... Soon after they just kept on reeling in the taylor and still we were getting nothing... I just wanna start catching decent legal size fish that I don't have to throw back and can enjoy some fresh seafood... My ears and eyes are open to anyone willing to give advice, take me under their wing, or share other locations and strategies I can adopt... Aside, I wanna say thanks to Luderick_Angler for offering his time to mentor me in fishing for blackfish, bream and pigfish around Georges River area and trout elsewhere... Anyone else that'd be willing to have me tag along, let me know...at the moment after I'm open to any kind of fishing... is dynamite legal anywhere...just kidding Anticipating your replies... Cheers, Al Edited May 3, 2012 by Big_Al
craigbutcher Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 HI Al, I can only suggested 1 extra option to help you hook up on the solid fish regularly. Catch either poddy mullet or yakkas and put them on live, with as light leader as you need (depending on the dept, reef or sand etc). Kings will often smash a live bait and leave a dead bait untouched. They are fussy feeders at times, however, at times they arent too - just depends on a few things. Live bait will increase your probability. Cheers Butch
Guest Aussie007 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 G'day raiders... So, I went to a Gymea Bay Baths Reserve (which I've been frequenting quite a bit of late) on Tuesday arvo from 2pm-7:30pm... Here were the conditions for the day, we basically tried to be there for the tide coming in and bit on the way out: I've had mixed success of late but Tuesday was disheartening to say the least...a week prior I caught about 25 fish in total , but kept only 3 legal snapper and 1 legal bream... This visit, only 2 little snapper and nothing else ...frustrating to say the least, but I must admit that one of the reason I go there is because it is such a beautiful scenic spot... Got to the spot and burley'd up the water a bit with a mixture of stale breadcrumbs, bit of smelly parmesan, tuna oil and sea water - yes my fish eat well So, bait I used consisted of chicken marinated in parmesan and a bit of tuna oil, skirt steak, thawed pilchards and thawed squid hood... Here are the rigs that I usually use when going out: So, again, frustrating to say the least that I really had no luck at all that arvo...I don't think I mentioned it, but I went the Friday before and pretty much had the same kind of mis-fortune... To add salt to the wound, 2 hours into our session, 3 guys came down and started fishing a few metres away from us in shallower waters, and 10 min into their session, they've landed a whopper of a Kingfish on pilchards...my mate and I just look at each other and no words were needed...we weer just like "What the...???"... Here's a shot of the bath area with us fishing in the green section and them in the purple: We were fishing in deeper water and these guys were in water no deeper that I reckon 2-3m...it was as though they were saying "there's another one, there's another one, cast is there"... I've never really felt like throwing the rod in, but I'm borderline... Soon after they just kept on reeling in the taylor and still we were getting nothing... I just wanna start catching decent legal size fish that I don't have to throw back and can enjoy some fresh seafood... My ears and eyes are open to anyone willing to give advice, take me under their wing, or share other locations and strategies I can adopt... Aside, I wanna say thanks to Luderick_Angler for offering his time to mentor me in fishing for blackfish, bream and pigfish around Georges River area and trout elsewhere... Anyone else that'd be willing to have me tag along, let me know...at the moment after I'm open to any kind of fishing... is dynamite legal anywhere...just kidding Anticipating your replies... Cheers, Al i have fished there many times the purple area is where all the squid hold u can get poddy mullet late in the afternoon at the end of the wharf near the two wharfs at the top of your first picture
user1829 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 (edited) We were fishing in deeper water and these guys were in water no deeper that I reckon 2-3m...it was as though they were saying "there's another one, there's another one, cast is there"... I've never really felt like throwing the rod in, but I'm borderline... Soon after they just kept on reeling in the taylor and still we were getting nothing... Hi Al - did the other fishermen have purple hair, tattoos, chains and guns? if not - you should have had a chat to THEM!!! the 3 rigs you have pictures of, from my understanding are not 'pure' kingfish rigs, nor were you using 'pure' kingfish bait? you seem to have targeted bream/snapper and small fish, so it is no wonder you were not catching kingys or tailor? it is kinda ironic also - that your burleying may have indeed brought the kingfish & tailor the other guys were catching??? were you fishing in the burley trail or was it going elsehwere? and if you were indeed so close to them, then how come you couldnt see the fish in the water? do you constantly scan the water whilst fishing, or how do you see what is going on? sure the scenery might be pretty, but you gotta keep an eye on the water to watch the 'action' as it evolves... so if your premise is: "i want to catch decent fish for a feed" then keep targeting breams, snapper and flathead - you just need to hone your 'fishcraft' which indeed requires you to be either self-taught (books, magazines, google, DVD's) or mentored, or better still - BOTH! information is the key to fishing, not luck... you need to keep analysing the information, both before you set out, and once you get there... that way, you are armed with the best preparation to meet the opportunities... anyways, hope this helps Edited May 3, 2012 by user1829
ffallcve Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Live bait will increase your probability. I tried catching my own live bait when we got there with one of those rigs from Tackle world that's already got about 6-7 hooks off it with some sort of fish scale and scent on it...used it with a float and sinker on the end... Scattered the burley and left this rig amongst it, but got nothing... The frustrating this was the last time I was there the pillies were going crazy all over the area after I burley'd and this time not a peep... The conditions were as close as I could get it when I was there last...
user1829 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 last time I was there the pillies were going crazy all over the area pillies?
ffallcve Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 pillies? Sorry, a few of us guys refer to pilchards as pillies...
user1829 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 (edited) Sorry, a few of us guys refer to pilchards as pillies... there are pilchards in Gymea Bay? i would have thought maybe they were mullet? Edited May 3, 2012 by user1829
ffallcve Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 there are pilchards in Gymea Bay? i would have thought maybe they were mullet? I don't mind being corrected, but when I was there the time before, all along the jetty on the green side, there were thousand of little schooling fishing breaking surface and swimming along... To a novice like me, yeah I think pilchards, but when swimming past, you could see the flashing of silver all over the place... Moving forward, does anyone have advice as to what type of a rig to use and possibly techniques to be able to catch live bait...again, something I still haven't broken ground on...
Guest Aussie007 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 I don't mind being corrected, but when I was there the time before, all along the jetty on the green side, there were thousand of little schooling fishing breaking surface and swimming along... To a novice like me, yeah I think pilchards, but when swimming past, you could see the flashing of silver all over the place... Moving forward, does anyone have advice as to what type of a rig to use and possibly techniques to be able to catch live bait...again, something I still haven't broken ground on... use the bait jigs as u purchased with the 6-7 hooks make sure the hooks are small enough for the bait you will be catching u need to put bait onto each hook this will greatly increase your catch now forget the float and dangle the bait jig in the water every minute or so give it a few jigs up and down if your hooks are small the bait fish will hook them selfs once u catch one it will excite the others and u will be pulling up 2-3 at a time and for the poddy mullet throw small pieces of bread around on the surface only 2-3 pieces wait untill the poddys swam the bread than chuck a very tiny unweighted hook on light line right near them it will probably scare them off but they will return
user1829 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 I tried catching my own live bait when we got there with one of those rigs from Tackle world that's already got about 6-7 hooks off it with some sort of fish scale and scent on it... this rig + practice...
Spooooled Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 I don't mind being corrected, but when I was there the time before, all along the jetty on the green side, there were thousand of little schooling fishing breaking surface and swimming along... To a novice like me, yeah I think pilchards, but when swimming past, you could see the flashing of silver all over the place... Moving forward, does anyone have advice as to what type of a rig to use and possibly techniques to be able to catch live bait...again, something I still haven't broken ground on... if your saying they caught it in shallow water, why dont you try a weightless live bait like a yakka and let it swim freely with a float at the top but dont put a stopper the float is just there so you can know where your line is, but i suggesst a live bait or even a squid un weighted or maybe even try a pilchard un weighted, thats just my 2 cent goodluck on your next outing
reyzor Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 buy yourself a poddy mullet trap....... simple to use... cheap...... and usually get you some lives......
ffallcve Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 goodluck on your next outing Thanks for that...
luderick -angler Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 (edited) Al, you free Saturday arvo? i'll give you a call i got to go to the fly fishing store at Parra for some consumables but later in the day I am free. i ca ntake you down the road from my place for a fish in the Cooks to hone your tactics C&R in this system though! Edited May 3, 2012 by luderick -angler
GORRRN Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 most likely poddy mullet swimming near the jetty, chuck some bread out to get them into a feeding frenzy and then use a small hook with a bit of bread on it. I have adapted my mullet technique slightly so that I get them into a feeding frenzy and i have a small hook with some cotton on it, throw it near the bread and they grab it without knowing the difference. This is still a new technique for me but seems to work well and gets rid of the annoying having to re bait all the time when they manage to pull the bread off and not get hooked. The poddy mullet definitely flash silver.
ffallcve Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Al, you free Saturday arvo? i'll give you a call i got to go to the fly fishing store at Parra for some consumables but later in the day I am free. i ca ntake you down the road from my place for a fish in the Cooks to hone your tactics C&R in this system though! Thanks Royce... yeah give me a buzz for the time you're thinking for... At the moment, no plans for the arvo... Hear from you later... Al
ffallcve Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Yep, that fish skin leader with lumo beads is exactly what I got... Thanks for the clip...now hopefully this system is as efficient on land-based as it on a boat
ffallcve Posted May 3, 2012 Author Posted May 3, 2012 Here's another clip that I found just now... I think I'm starting to get the idea...
nightstalker Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 most likely poddy mullet swimming near the jetty, chuck some bread out to get them into a feeding frenzy and then use a small hook with a bit of bread on it. I have adapted my mullet technique slightly so that I get them into a feeding frenzy and i have a small hook with some cotton on it, throw it near the bread and they grab it without knowing the difference. This is still a new technique for me but seems to work well and gets rid of the annoying having to re bait all the time when they manage to pull the bread off and not get hooked. The poddy mullet definitely flash silver. You never know, we came across schools of pilchards in 30m last week and were cat hing them on sabiki jigs. Wicked looking live bait, if only you could keep them alive long term!
Guest Aussie007 Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Here's another clip that I found just now... I think I'm starting to get the idea... watching that might make some people angry poddy mullet must be kept alive and used only for bait unless there over the legal mullet size that guy in the video didnt give a shit
Yowie Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Throw some bread on the surface, if the little fish are poddy mullet, they will swim to the surface to eat the bread. If not and they swim along flashing silver colour in the water as they turn on their sides, and are around 7 cm long, they will be anchovies. The pilchards in Port Hacking will be around 15 cm long, and usually splash on the surface as they chase little fish around 1 to 2 cm long. The pilchards can be caught with a small piece of fish bait on a small hook, burleying with mushy bread to attract them. A couple of times I have caught the anchovies in the bread burley, and used these alive for tailor and frigates, though the pilchards would be better for the kingies. Yellowtail would also be good live bait for the kingies. Expect the live baits to be attacked by tailor as well. Yowie.
SCOTTYB Posted May 3, 2012 Posted May 3, 2012 Just a quick shout out to my fellow fishraiders. Over time (particularly when I haven't been able to fish) I'm sure I've scoured just about all of the topics and posts in FR history! This would have to be the most informative, educational and generous post I can recall...showing the true spirit of FR. Very impressed, and glad to be a part of it all. Cheers, SB PS wish I could add something, but everything I know of has already been mentioned - haven't fished Gymea much at all....
stevehau Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 Hi Mate, All the previous pointer are correct and valuable. I can further add to the fact that you only fished the one area (Green). The reason why boaters tend to get more fish is the ability to move around. The same will apply to land based fishos. limited, yes. but never the less, possible. It's amazing how much difference, a few meter can make to your results. I have fish the bath in the past, and will often have to move around the whole bath area to locate the fish. I will often start in the green area for Yakkas & Poddy. I will often throw out a livie while collection bait. If things go quite, I will move to the Purple area. Last, but not least, move to the upper part of the picture (un shaded). I will also look for shadow line cast but the structure as fish tend to hold in the shades spots. Good luck.... PS, my favourite rig, a hook on the end of a leader, un weighted. Regards, Just a quick shout out to my fellow fishraiders. Over time (particularly when I haven't been able to fish) I'm sure I've scoured just about all of the topics and posts in FR history! This would have to be the most informative, educational and generous post I can recall...showing the true spirit of FR. Very impressed, and glad to be a part of it all. Cheers, SB PS wish I could add something, but everything I know of has already been mentioned - haven't fished Gymea much at all....
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