Big eye trevally at the entrance

[Toby_fisho]

Hey fellow fishos. Caught this big eye trevally in the lake this afternoon on a live prawn. Didn’t think they’d come this far south. Put up a fun fight on 4lb line for the size of it. Has anyone else caught any unexpected species in the lake?

[James Clain]

I was with a mate when he caught an African pompano in sydney. im guessig its the same story with his guy. they get caught in the east Australian current and get dragged down into the lakes and harbours.

Only the small tropical species.

[Toby_fisho]

Yeah I thought that. I’ve heard of guys a couple of decades ago catching mangrove jack off the entrance rocks. These fish would also be drawn to the Bommie of the entrance and in turn move in the estuary.

[James Clain]

1 minute ago, Toby_fisho said:

Yeah I thought that. I’ve heard of guys a couple of decades ago catching mangrove jack off the entrance rocks. These fish would also be drawn to the Bommie of the entrance and in turn move in the estuary.

yeah and the explanation as to why there were and still possibly are Gt and Mangrove jack in manly lagoon

[Toby_fisho]

They’d be still there mate. 

[Blackfish]

Certainly a unusual catch TobyF, though I recon its a Barred/Blue Trevally which is more impressive than a Big Eye.

👍

 

[Blackfish]

On another note it may be a Fishraider Record.

[PaddyT]

10 hours ago, Blackfish said:

Certainly a unusual catch TobyF, though I recon its a Barred/Blue Trevally which is more impressive than a Big Eye.

👍

 

Pretty sure its NOT a Bigeye , but its a tropical trevor for sure, Blue trevally looks about right 

[xerotao]

Isnt that just a silver trevally?

@James Clainim pretty sure your african pompano was a diamond trevally.

[James Clain]

46 minutes ago, xerotao said:

Isnt that just a silver trevally?

@James Clainim pretty sure your african pompano was a diamond trevally.

They look similar but the amount of lines and the shape make me believe it was definitely an AP

 

[Blackfish]

Common names make it confusing.

Pennant Fish also know as a African Pompano as well as a few other names but the most common I've heard is Pennant fish. But thats just me, others may have a different view and thats why the real experts call fish by the Scientific name, saves the confusion and sometimes fish are also misidentified by them as well ... we are but human.

The above fish I recon is a Barred or Blue Trevally (Common names again) Scientific name is "Carangoides ferdau"

https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/animals/fishes/blue-trevally-carangoides-ferdau-forsskl-1775/

 

Now don't get me started on Tea-Leaf Trevally, a couple of different types of Trevally, go by this common name.

😁😁

 

PS, how do you get the persons link (Highlighted names)in the post like some on here can do. Example , the above post where JamesClain's name is highlighted with blue. 🤔

[Volitan]

Bigeye trevally looks like a pretty good ID to me. Well done.

the easy way to tell is the bigeye has a gelatinous patch partially covering the rear of the eye. Unfortunately it doesn’t photograph well, so not usually helpful when identifying from photos.

otherwise, all features are in line with a bigeye. The next best distinguishing characteristic is the small black spot at the top of the gill opening. It’s much larger and lower down in the silver trevally, and absent in the blue

fin colour, fin shape, head shape all good for a bigeye.

[PaddyT]

2 hours ago, James Clain said:

They look similar but the amount of lines and the shape make me believe it was definitely an AP

 

Aussies call them Diamond Trevally- just stick to the local name- saves confusion

[xerotao]

4 hours ago, Blackfish said:

PS, how do you get the persons link (Highlighted names)in the post like some on here can do. Example , the above post where JamesClain's name is highlighted with blue. 🤔

Type @ and start typing a name

[Blackfish]

Thanks Xerotao

[James Clain]

4 hours ago, PaddyT said:

Aussies call them Diamond Trevally- just stick to the local name- saves confusion

Diamond Trevally: Alectis indica

African Pompano: Alectis ciliaris

[Volitan]

the view that scientific names are enforced by convention but common names are many and all are valid is not entirely correct. There is scientific convention over common names as well.

you can check the current accepted Australian common name here.

http://www.fishnames.com.au/

every species identified by a scientific name is paired with one and only one common name.

obviously we’re not forced to use the agreed common name, but with so many people being uncomfortable with Latin names then it has the potential to be even more useful then the scientific naming convention.

 

for the record, the agreed names are

Alectis ciliaris = pennant fish (James’s fish)

Alectis indica = diamond trevally

 

 

 

 

[Blackfish]

6 hours ago, Volitan said:

Bigeye trevally looks like a pretty good ID to me. Well done.

the easy way to tell is the bigeye has a gelatinous patch partially covering the rear of the eye. Unfortunately it doesn’t photograph well, so not usually helpful when identifying from photos.

otherwise, all features are in line with a bigeye. The next best distinguishing characteristic is the small black spot at the top of the gill opening. It’s much larger and lower down in the silver trevally, and absent in the blue

fin colour, fin shape, head shape all good for a bigeye.

Thanks Volitan for pointing this out. 👍

I stand corrected, yes a Big Eye Trevally.

[Toby_fisho]

9 hours ago, Blackfish said:

Common names make it confusing.

Pennant Fish also know as a African Pompano as well as a few other names but the most common I've heard is Pennant fish. But thats just me, others may have a different view and thats why the real experts call fish by the Scientific name, saves the confusion and sometimes fish are also misidentified by them as well ... we are but human.

The above fish I recon is a Barred or Blue Trevally (Common names again) Scientific name is "Carangoides ferdau"

https://australianmuseum.net.au/learn/animals/fishes/blue-trevally-carangoides-ferdau-forsskl-1775/

 

Now don't get me started on Tea-Leaf Trevally, a couple of different types of Trevally, go by this common name.

😁😁

 

PS, how do you get the persons link (Highlighted names)in the post like some on here can do. Example , the above post where JamesClain's name is highlighted with blue. 🤔

You use the @ and then add there name in