1-3kg vs 2-4kg

[odysea_yt]

Hi everyone,

im singling in on an abu garcia 4.0 7ft 1-3kg from <retailer removed> but I'm not sure if 1-3kg would be too suited, as I'm worried it might snap or something. Does anyone have experience with 1-3kg rods? Thanks!!

 

Tight lines,

Odysea

[big Neil]

11 hours ago, odysea_yt said:

Hi everyone,

im singling in on an abu garcia 4.0 7ft 1-3kg from <retailer removed> but I'm not sure if 1-3kg would be too suited, as I'm worried it might snap or something. Does anyone have experience with 1-3kg rods? Thanks!!

 

Tight lines,

Odysea

Shoot a PM to DerekD he uses both for different types of fishing and will offer you some good advice.

bn

[odysea_yt]

33 minutes ago, big Neil said:

Shoot a PM to DerekD he uses both for different types of fishing and will offer you some good advice.

bn

alr bet thanks

[Peter K]

Mate you’re fine, whatever of the two you choose. I’d go the lighter option, better for flicking plastics. Take care of your rod and it won’t snap. Try not to high stick, although I do this very regularly to lift fish out of the water and up sea walls. Often your light line should snap before the rod. Don’t step on your rod, might be a good idea to research rod grain and the natural bending it what’s to take. Make sure rod is in the car, don’t slam a door on it. Get a 2 piece seeing as you travel to fish  and use public transport etc. A the best, glad your settling in on a rod your going to buy. Beware of <retailer removed>, mixed reputations amongst the community.

[DerekD]

Hi @big Neil. Just saw this and thought I'd save some private messages.

Hi @odysea_yt I own three rods in the ArrowZ range which cover the rod rating (1-3kg and 2-4kg) that you are asking about. It was kind of by accident because the suppliers website takes a lot of bouncing around to find the full range of rods. I was given a Stradic 1000 as a thank you for some fishing mentoring and wanted to match it with a suitable rod. I ended up with the Super Ultra Light (2-6lb 2-10gram) whereas if I'd known about it at the time I would have bought the bream surface (3-8lb and 2-12gram - which I bought later). My all rounder is the next one up (the Estuary Ultra Light in 3-10lb 3-14gram).

First question is what are you using it for and why (and more importantly HOW) do you think you'd break it? I buy my light rods based on the lure rating. I like something in the 2 or 3 gram to 12 gram rating. 1 ounce is 28 gram. I like to use 1/4 ounce (7 gram) jighead plus a plastic to chase kings (and other pelagics) on my light rods. Big fan of the Halco twisties in 10 grams. The super ultra lights often have a lure rating up to about 7 grams. There are some tolerances built in but I like to punch out the lures without worrying about snapping a rod tip. I also use a 10 gram ball head jighead with 3 or 4 inch plastics to chase flathead. Casts a fair distance which allows me to cover a lot of ground relatively quickly. Since I use a fine braid on these outfits I can also throw out light soft plastics and hard bodies.

in general use, if you match a rod with line and lures within its rating, you should struggle to break a rod unless you are high sticking it (or abusing it) or as @Peter K said lifting a fish out of the water with it.

To be continued.

Edited November 4 by DerekD

[slothparade]

Mate landed one of her best flatties over 1m on a zodias 1-2.5kg and a Stella 1000 with 5 lbs braid. 

But I agree with you 1-3kg feels like it's going to snap really easily, but if you spend a little and get a good branded one like an abu garcia, dawia, ECT they tend to have a really strong backbone and are a lot stronger than 1-3kg. 

Also don't pick things straight up with the rod, always make sure it's bending all the way through the backbone, that way you won't snap the rod 

[AlbertW]

Hey Mate, 

Just butting in but my go to combo now is a 1-3kg infeet ex paired with a 2500 certate spooled with pe 0.8 braid. The infeet has been a blast to use and I've managed to land every fish I've hooked so far, notably a 70cm flathead (mate landed using my setup) , multiple 40-45cm bream, trevally etc. At first the rods may feel like they will shatter with a solid fish but with modern technology you can pretty much land anything in an estuary with enough braid, luck (avoiding structure etc) and technique (drag control etc). They are a game changer for casting light lures even compared to a 2-4kg rod which I actually no longer own any of. Just make sure to take extra care considering how delicate their tips are.

[odysea_yt]

10 hours ago, Peter K said:

Mate you’re fine, whatever of the two you choose. I’d go the lighter option, better for flicking plastics. Take care of your rod and it won’t snap. Try not to high stick, although I do this very regularly to lift fish out of the water and up sea walls. Often your light line should snap before the rod. Don’t step on your rod, might be a good idea to research rod grain and the natural bending it what’s to take. Make sure rod is in the car, don’t slam a door on it. Get a 2 piece seeing as you travel to fish  and use public transport etc. A the best, glad your settling in on a rod your going to buy. Beware of fishing r us, mixed reputations amongst the community.

but isnt <retailer removed> like the largest Australian tackle store? and like do they sell broken rods or something? thanks for the advice too!

[lhan]

As others said it depends on your target species/lures you use/reels to pair. If you're using the correct lure weight and line&drag settings, it's almost impossible to snap a rod nowadays unless abused or mistreated. So as Derek said, choose a rod based on your desired lure ratings.

I have a abu garcia veritas 4.0 7'8ft ultralight 1-3kg 2-10g. It's the workhorse in my arsenal which scored me 90% of my estuary catch, all my estuary species PBs I reported on fishraider are done by this rod. The tip is quite soft so very very tolerant on cast but can be fragile if mistreated. I do push a little bit hard on it (15g jigs sometimes, do at your own risk), but it still holds up fine.

[devoker]

I chose the 2-4 veritas as I wanted to cast heavier lures (I can cast 17g with it although it is rated up to 14g, and I can see my backing with 150m braid with it). 1-3kg is probably better for casting lighter lures further as it is softer.

[faker]

My 7'2 veritas 4.0 is my work horse unless I am chasing kingfish and perlagics deliberately 

[Peter K]

5 hours ago, odysea_yt said:

but isnt <retailer removed> like the largest Australian tackle store? and like do they sell broken rods or something? thanks for the advice too!

I believe the moderators have requested we try to avoid mentioning the retailer etc. They certainly are not one of the largest tackle stores in aus, they only have one store and it’s not relatively big compared to other tackle stores. Some in the past have had their claims about the store and how genuine stock is. Not sure much is allowed to be said here, just do a good inspection of the rod before u purchase.

[savit]

So far OP has not shared  what he is going  to target and how with those rods.

I use 1-3kg graphite rods for bread&butter species with  light lures where I can easily net fish without putting much stress on a rod.  The rest - 2-4kg or higher rating.

[odysea_yt]

23 minutes ago, savit said:

So far OP has not shared  what he is going  to target and how with those rods.

I use 1-3kg graphite rods for bread&butter species with  light lures where I can easily net fish without putting much stress on a rod.  The rest - 2-4kg or higher rating.

im gonna target bream/flathead and squid too sorry for not saying that earlier

 

[mrsswordfisherman]

1 hour ago, Peter K said:

I believe the moderators have requested we try to avoid mentioning the retailer etc. They certainly are not one of the largest tackle stores in aus, they only have one store and it’s not relatively big compared to other tackle stores. Some in the past have had their claims about the store and how genuine stock is. Not sure much is allowed to be said here, just do a good inspection of the rod before u purchase.

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[Peter K]

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[Renegade460]

4 hours ago, odysea_yt said:

im gonna target bream/flathead and squid too sorry for not saying that earlier

 

1kg to 3kg rod will be fine. Biggest I've caught on one of mine was a 76cm Flathead and it handled it really well.

If you are travelling a lot using public transport have a look at the Shimano Raider travel rods 7ft breaks down to 3 piece which makes it easy to carry.

[odysea_yt]

25 minutes ago, Renegade460 said:

1kg to 3kg rod will be fine. Biggest I've caught on one of mine was a 76cm Flathead and it handled it really well.

If you are travelling a lot using public transport have a look at the Shimano Raider travel rods 7ft breaks down to 3 piece which makes it easy to carry.

yes but the price isnt easy to carry 😅 I think the veritas also splits into 3

[odysea_yt]

just a follow up what type of line would be best? braid seems good but they all have ups and downs. And which line weighting?

[Renegade460]

6lb Braid with 8lb mono leader and backing. As far as brands any of the reputable ones should be fine.

[Peter K]

Go with a mono backing, 4-8lb braid main line and a fluro leader. 
Id get daiwa expedition 8lb 150m the diameter is the same as that of other braids 6lb lines.

[lhan]

3 hours ago, odysea_yt said:

yes but the price isnt easy to carry 😅 I think the veritas also splits into 3

Veritas is 1 piece or 2 piece rod, the 3 piece version is called veritas travel. Get a 2 piece for 7ft is fine.

11 minutes ago, odysea_yt said:

just a follow up what type of line would be best? braid seems good but they all have ups and downs. And which line weighting?

For lure fishing braid all day every day except some rare occasions. The 1-3kg/2-4kg is actually the line ratings so 6lb would be a sweet spot, 8lb is fine too if you have a bigger reel. If looking for gouw I'd look for PE0.6 or PE0.8. (GOUW is more accurate actually but it's a big topic I wouldn't confuse you here)

[odysea_yt]

10 hours ago, lhan said:

Veritas is 1 piece or 2 piece rod, the 3 piece version is called veritas travel. Get a 2 piece for 7ft is fine.

For lure fishing braid all day every day except some rare occasions. The 1-3kg/2-4kg is actually the line ratings so 6lb would be a sweet spot, 8lb is fine too if you have a bigger reel. If looking for gouw I'd look for PE0.6 or PE0.8. (GOUW is more accurate actually but it's a big topic I wouldn't confuse you here)

ok thanks!

[mrsswordfisherman]

16 hours ago, Peter K said:

Apologies if that made the thread go off track.

The thread is not off track. It is relevant to the content  

No apology needed 

[sashkello]

I find 1-3kg a bit too light. I know experienced pros here like the lighter the better, but to my taste 2-4kg is more universal. And I second Raider rod - purchased it to replace my Catana and it's really worth it. Saying that, Catana is an excellent rod for the price as well. Going light is all fun and stuff, but until you really understand the area you are fishing in and what kind of punishment your line can get, I'd go with 2-4 rod and 8lb braid. Because you are going to get tangled sometimes and you are going to rub your braid against things and 6lb with snap very easily unless you are already good at what you're doing.