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Hello my fellow Raiders,
Well, I finally got around to trying to rectify this problem I have with the outboard not tilting up. So, decided to take @dmck advise and start to narrow it down.
First, I got a digital voltmeter and measured voltage on each pin from each relay. Whatever was on each pin of relay 1, relay 2 was exactly the same. So, we had 12V on both relays. Ok, next...lets have a look at the Up/Down switch....could there be a cut/disconnect near the switch? Unfortunately, this was a pain as the plastic nut holding the switch in place was in front of the main positive and negative wires that go to the batteries. So, turned off the main power and disconnected the wires. Took the nut off and inspected the wiring at the switch. The wiring looked like new and the connection going into switch looked ok but couldn't see inside the switch as it appeared to be moulded into the switch. Ok, this looks good. Let's trace the wire further up from the switch to the relays. Trace it up and it comes to a 3pin plug (like dmck explained). Inspect the plug. Open the plug, Plug looks like new. Close the plug and try the switch down...it works. Try the switch Up...nothing again.
There are three wires (red/blue/green) from switch to plug and same again from plug to relay housing. Blue is obviously for tilt up, green is for tilt down and red is the positive 12V feed. So, let's see if we are getting 12V to the plug pin? Put the voltmeter black prong to an earth on the outboard, push the red prong into the red wire pin connection....nothing! Hmmmm, thought to myself...maybe this is where the problem is? OR maybe I didn't get proper connection (didn't push the prong in deep enough to touch the pin or wire itself?). After a long pause, thought to myself...let's try this one more time. This time pushed the prong in deeper and I hear this CLICK near the relay housing. I thought....could it be? So, try again the switch...tilt down, it works. Now...try the tilt UP.....BZZZZZZZ, it's working. YIPPPEEEEEE!!!!!
It was the plug connection....something that simple!!
So, tried it about 20 times up and down....she works like new. Hah....nearly forgot something. Need to try the up/down switch on the throttle lever inside the boat....YEP....she works there also.
So, problem fixed and it appears that there was a bad connection like a hot spot or something in that 3 pin plug. Just shows you that some things can be confusing but if you try things step by step like deck suggested, you can get to the cause.
I would like to thank all my fellow raiders for all their input and a special thanks to @dmck
Cheers Dave
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20 hours ago, dmck said:
Any progress with this?
Not yet @dmck,
Its either been too hot or too wet....or no time to do it.
At the moment, for the past 3 days, we have had torrential rain and can't even walk outside let alone work on something. Unfortunately, the boat is not under cover.
Will keep everyone updated as soon as I can get to it.
Cheers
Dave
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6 hours ago, dmck said:
NOTE WELL: for the motor to tilt (up or down) BOTH relays MUST be plugged in.
I know this. Even if you don't plug one in, the other working one won't work either.
You may have done all of the following, but please do these tests in order. and report the result at each stage.
Put the wiring back to stock standard.
Using ONLY the tilt switch on the motor (NOT the one on the remote control)..... Tried both...only tilts down from either switches
If you activate the tilt-up does the relay 'click' ? From your last post I'm assuming NO - No Clicking...click coming from the Tilt Down only. New relay was installed...no change, still going down only. Swapped relays around, still going down but not up (obviously relays are good as if new relay was faulty, the down wouldn't work either)
If you activate the tilt down can you hear the relay click ? and does the motor tilt down? Yes
Can you identify which relay is clicking so that you can identify which is for up and which is for down? if so mark the relay cover AND the relay socket so that you dont have to remember later. Its easy to remember and I can identify which relay is clicking and which one isn't. The relay (closer to you on pic) with GREEN wire is for "TILT DOWN". The furthest relay with Blue wire is for "TILT UP" (Blue = Sky = Up ....and.... Green = Grass = Down). Furthest (Blue is not clicking when pressing switch)
Identify the wires on the back of the tilt-switch... there may be 2 or 3 How many? (See new photo attached - need to check more)
trace the wires from the back of the switch.... there is usually a joiner in them. Can you get to the joiners? (Will check - not sure atm)
I'm assuming there will be 3 wires, 2 will go to the relays (1 wire to each) . Using your voltmeter identify whether there is 12 volt +ve or -ve Earth on the 3rd wire. (Will try this but I did disconnect each relay and put my multimeter accross each relay. It showed 12V was there on both relay pins (housing) when I first tried to work it out- thats why it confused me what the issue is)
Short the 3rd wire to each (in turn) of the relay wires. This is bypassing the tilt switch. You should hear the relays click and the motor should tilt.
IF 1 relay doesnt click and the motor doesnt tilt, connect your multi meter (set to measure DC volts) between the 3rd wire and each of the other 2 relay wires. THis is measuring/checking that there is a connection to the relay, through the relay to either +ve OR -ve. Both wires should measure the same.
If 1 wire does not show a connection (to either + or -) note which wire is suspect, swap the relays and retest the wires. Is the same wire 'faulty' or has it swapped to the other wire.
MOre to follow.... but enuff for you to go on with.....
Hi dmck,
Some I can answer now as I have already done some of the things you are asking.
Some might have to wait till the weekend or if i get some time between now and then after work.
I have attached some more pics
In the pic with the housing, the thick blue wire and thick green wire in the centre of the housing go to the tilt motor
I will try and do some more testing like you mentioned above.
If you have more questions, please ask and I will endeavor to answer them as best I can
Cheers....Dave
PS: Don't know why some pics ended up sideways and even upside down...they are not like that on my laptop....sorry about that.
Update: Just changed a couple of pics cause it was confusing...
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1 hour ago, dmck said:
I forgot to ask, do the relays have 4 or 5 terminals?
5 terminals.
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I can't upload anymore photos as its more than 4.88mb. I will have to shrink them to fit once I get some time and put them on my laptop.
Anyway, I'm wondering if the problem lies with the up/down switch(s) on the outboard motor and lever/accelerator? Are they chain linked so if one has an issue, does it affect the other? At the moment, to tilt up, both switches don't work. I looked up youtube and they had the chap from Dangar explaining the relays and trouble shooting issues. Problem was that everything was explained to check this and that, the clicking in the relay etc...but his relays were all working and nothing mentioned "if" the relay wasn't clicking...what could it be or what to check.
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On 1/19/2020 at 5:40 PM, dmck said:
Dave, I would love to know your temporary solution. It may help diagnose the true problem.
Hi dmck,
The temporary solution was that I connected 1 longer wire to the red of the relay wire, and another to the blue (tilt up) relay wire so that it was sticking out from under the cowl. When I needed to tilt up, I would touch the ends of these wires together and it would tilt up. When I wasn't using it, I used electrical tape and isolated each end to avoid getting a short if it touched metal.
See pics.
Cheers...Dave
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Hi guys,
Just so that you all don't think that I'm ignoring you, I found a temporary solution to get me out on the water today. After a very late start, we just got back and the problem is still there. I would probably need to get into a bit more detail than I did this morning cause I was frustrated trying to get out on the water and I would like to take some pics and put them up but it's quite late now and I will come back to this topic as I still have the problem. When I said that I swapped the relays around and there was nothing, I meant to say it still didn't go up but it still went down which tells me there is no issues with the relays as both worked in the down mode. Although the motor is 20yrs old, she in very good nick and has only 510hrs on her. I can't swap cables around as dmck suggested as I would actually physically need to cut them cause the relays sit in a housing side by side. Also, the hydraulics are perfect. Not a drop of oil coming out and the engine flies up and down when the relays were working good. Need to show you pics of what I mean.
will get back to you all soon
Cheers
Dave
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Hey Raiders,
Need some help from the guru's on outboards.
Its been a while since I've had a chance to wet a line and as today was my last day of my holidays, thought I would make a day of it.
So, got up at 3.45am and started to pack the boat. I charged the batteries yesterday as I haven't used the boat for a few months.
Anyway, all packed and went to tilt the motor up.....no go. Tilt the motor down, works fine. So, immediately thought....RELAY.
About 12 months ago, had the same problem and found out it was a faulty relay. At the time, changed it and worked beautifully. Bought a spare as I thought that the other (original) would pack it in sooner or later. So, this morning after looking for the damn thing for 30mins, I find it in its original pack and swap them around. Go to tilt up....nothing. Swap the relays around....still nothing. Listen to it as I'm switching the switch and notice the clicking only coming from one relay and that is for the down. Using my multimeter, put the red on the red wire (86 on relay) and black on the blue/white wire (87 on the relay) (using current/amp function on multimeter) and she starts to tilt up without use of either switch. Tested the voltage to both relays on prongs 85 & 86.......shows 12v.
Anyway, 5hrs later....we are still here banging our heads and wondering whether to put some petrol over it and throw a light....grrrrr.
If anyone has ANY idea, it would be sooooo nice if they could share some light what could be causing this.
Theoutboard is a 1999/2000 Johnson 115Hp Ocean Pro if that helps
cheers
Dave
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Nice fish there @T_Bert83. I'm hopefully heading there for the June long weekend. I haven't fished freshwater in over 15yrs and have never fished Whyangalla Dam. Any tips on where to go (gps marks as I'm taking the boat) and what to use?
Also, how deep is it considering that the dam is just under 30% capacity. I have a 5.7 mtr Quintrex and I know that most people fish with smaller tinnies that have casting platforms.
Appreciate any help.....
Cheers. Dave
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Pencil me in too Geoff.
If I can get the time off work, would love to be there.
Any idea which month are you thinking of?
On top, I have a couple of Christenings coming up (not sure when yet) and a wedding in August as well. Hopefully it's not at the same time.
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Looking at the Motorguide Xi5 mentioned, it appears that it has no connection with your sounder....am I right?
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1 hour ago, onearmedfisho said:
Mate, for your 5.6m I would go the Motor Guide Xi5 80lb with a 72"shaft and GPS. With the gateway kit you will be able to connect it to your sounder
Thanks mate.
Do you know if Minn Kota and Motorguide are both compatible with Lowrance sounders?
I'm presuming that the gateway kit you mention is the NMEA2000 connection?
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Thanks guys,
Appreciate the feedback.
Trav, thanks for the link. That was exactly what I was looking for.
Cheers Dave
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Hello Raiders,
Been thinking about getting an electric motor but have no idea what would suit my boat. Couple of my mates have Minn Kota's but they also have smaller boats like a 4.30 ally and a 4.49 Hornet. I have a Quintrex 560 Freedom Sport and obviously their 55lb electrics wouldn't be sufficient? I have no idea what length shaft or what size thrust do I need. Looking at some models like the Motorguide Xi5 which have a 72 inch shaft and 105lb of thrust...is this long/powerful enough or is it overkill? I would also like a GPS unit that I could connect to my Lowrance HDS7 touch.
Appreciate all advice....
Cheers Dave
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I got slugged a few times until I worked out that I had something like an aerial of my marine radio upright.
Donna, Could you find out if he had an aerial or a rod maybe in the upright position?
Cheers
Dave
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2 minutes ago, BallisticFisherman said:
Hi Fish Raiders Im Thinking to buy an
G Loomis E6X 844MS (10-17lb)
And I Need Help Finding A Reel To Go With It My Unclu Suggested The Daiwa Sol 3 I Want To Know If It The Right Decision Or Is There Any Suggestions
BallisticFisherman
Depends what fish you plan on targeting?
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Thanks guys, appreciate it.
I suppose there is no reverse switch either?
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Hello all,
I was hoping someone has a Shimano Saragosa and will be able to help out with my question.
Just received a Shimano Saragosa SW10000 as a gift for my birthday and I am a little confused. I don't know if this is a normal thing for this reel, but I noticed that the bail arm won't click over automatically when you open the bail arm and turn the handle....is this normal ?
Also, can't find a reverse switch on the reel either....do they have one?
Looked through the instructions but they're only a general instructions for all models. The only other paper in the box apart from the warranty was a parts list for all Saragosa reel models
Hope someone can shed some light on this. I'm just wondering if it could be faulty new in the box
Cheers
Dave
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2 hours ago, Gabm said:
In Botany Bay last weekend, fishing over sand in no more than 15 metres, we lost several rigs: some cut through leader, but eventually braid was cut on two rods. Light set-ups (6 & 8 lb), braid colours white & green. Bait, jig head, slug & a squid jig! All within an expensive half hours drift.
Late last year we lost another in the same way. But has not happened prior, ever, in 3 years of fishing the bay.
Any idea what fish could be causing this?
I thought a plague of jackets but over sand?
I experienced exactly the same thing at Botany two weeks ago.
Casted out 3 times, and came back with cut braid. I usually have at least 50-60cm leader but there was no sign of leader. After rigging up 3 times in a space of 10mins, got sick of whatever it was, packed up and left. We were fishing above sand near the oil drums where the seal usually sunbakes. Can't believe what I was seeing as there didn't appear to be anything like tailor around....it was really weird.
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On 1/18/2019 at 8:46 AM, slurm said:
Hey guys,
Been fishing with plastics for a little over 6 months now and absolutely loving it. I currently have a 2500 Sedona paired up with 8lb Fireline on a 1-4kg Raider Travel (max 10g lure weight). I have been targeting bread and butter species having had most success using 5.5g powerblades and 3inch SPs. I understand my line is on the heavier side but I have had issues with bust offs under the 6lb mark.
I am pretty keen to start throwing some heavier lures for different species (namely jews / rat kings / snapper), so I am curious as to what I need. It will be used namely land based, but I often have access to a boat or a kayak. Should I consider a heavier rod to pair with my current reel? Or do I need to purchase a complete new outfit for this purpose? I have been reading for the past few days and a lot of people are suggesting the Stradic for this purpose but I would like to know if I can make it work with what I've got.
Cheers
Hi Slurm,
Last year, my family got me a Sedona 2500 and a Shimano Sahara 2-4Kg rod loaded with 8lb braid and 10lb leader for Xmas. I have used it to catch squid, flathead, bream and Kings on SP.
I mainly fish off a boat only and have landed at least 20 Kings since then. Although, all Kings were between 58-64cm (rats), I am yet to get busted off. If you set your drag correctly and work the fish, you can land them (although your forearm will get a good workout...lol). Biggest problem is people tend to tighten the drag as soon as they start losing a little line and this usually works in the Kings favour as he will bust you off. Not long ago a mate of mine had never hooked up to a King and I was on my 5th. So, I gave him my rod and told him to go for it. He started to lose line and the first thing he attempted to do was to tighten the drag. I stopped him before he got a chance and he was like "are you serious...I will never get him out". I laughed and said...."yes you will...just keep at it". The king took a few more runs but slowly he eventually got him out.....63cm model. He was so puffed that he looked like he ran a marathon...😂
I prefer to fish light as its more fun where others think its hard work. I'm waiting for the day I hook up to a legal model and see how I go then. I don't find fishing heavy for a medium sized fish very satisfying. This year, the family got me a Shimano Stradic Ci4+ 4000 reel with a 7' Daiwa Aird X, 3-5Kg rod loaded with 20lb J-Braid8 and 20lb fluorocarbon leader for the Jewies , Snapper and legal Kings. The stradic is a beautiful reel as is the rod tbh. Only used it once and hooked up to a nice size squid on my first cast 😜. Had to use this rod for squidding cause the girls all confiscated my light gear to fish on our last family outing.
Anyway, I thought I would share this bit of info if it helps you understand
Cheers Dave
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5 minutes ago, zmk1962 said:
Dave mate .... I wouldn't dare go ANYWHERE with the Titanic 😳 !!!!
😂😂😂 ..... you know what I meant.
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5 minutes ago, zmk1962 said:
If you don't pay (subscribe) to the regional maps then its just very very dumb basic cartography. You also don't get the very detailed sonarcharts or the continuous updates etc.
Yup... I purchased Navionics GOLD+ charts years ago for my combo Eagle Seacharter unit (now LEI) ~$300 10yr ago . Never updated the charts. The charts still run fine and GPS still works... its just lacks heaps of sonar detail (contour lines) for the reefs, headlands, estuaries and such which is valuable for fishing. Its now my fallback GPS onboard and I dedicate it as a dual freq sounder.
Cheers Zoran
Lol....there you go, Zoran just told me why. 😂
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25 minutes ago, JonD said:
Even more $$$ for the platinum version, but this is a one off purchase on a memory card to suit the plotter. You normally get 12 months free updates but in all honesty I've never updated mine even in this period.
25 minutes ago, JonD said:Even more $$$ for the platinum version, but this is a one off purchase on a memory card to suit the plotter. You normally get 12 months free updates but in all honesty I've never updated mine even in this period.
From memory, when I bought my platinum card and the free subscription ran out, I think the new subscription was $99 which I thought was steep as the damn card cost me over $400 to start off with.
People can correct me if I'm wrong, but what is worth $99 on there that you should be subscribing?
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25 minutes ago, JonD said:
There's a guy down here in Narooma that takes his 4.7 out to the seamounts 50k+. I use a 5.2m zodiac which I feel confident will out perform most 6-7m boats in bad conditions offshore ( same concept different materials).
My next boat purchase will be a tubed aluminium boat ( in survey) possibly an ocean cylinder 550.
@JonD,
You shouldn't be able to compare yourself with us mortal boat fisherman......you go to places with that blow up you have where most of us wouldn't dare go with the Titanic.....😜😂
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Tilt trim issue
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It appears that you have a problem like I had.
It's an issue with the wiring. There's a blue wire that goes from your relay and what you should try is moving it whilst you press th UP button. If it starts working, its the wire. It could be corroded or have a loose connection. Try spraying all the contacts with INOX. it might help.
Cheers
Dave