Their wasn't from memory but I'll have to get them to check if any guides are loose,the older sabres at a store at the moment getting the epoxy touched up,I just thought that underbound rods made a little crunch like noise when loaded up & never worried about it,.10+years ago I would have never considered buying a production rod,if anyone remembers those brittle Penn rods or how weak the Beast master ones were.I noticed with the Shimano TCurve's the rollers are never quite inline on mine & everyone else's I've seen, but they look fine when new (still I'm not complaining for around $400 it's been a good rod considering how much ruff use its had ).While on the subject would anyone Know if the Pacific Composites blanks from the late 90s were the same as the Sabres,they look & feel identical.