thanx for rely mate.been lookin for a while.some still askin up to 15k with 2 strokes.good looking boats but figure if im gonna spend that kind of money best to go 4 stroke.half the life of this merc was fresh water trolling,lowrance 5xhdi sounder,garmin,vhf full storm covers.just gota weigh it all up.hope the merc owners havnt court up with you yet.thanx again