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On 4/30/2021 at 4:34 PM, anthman said:
Only if you are talking about the jerkshad style (split tail). You work them aggressively. For paddle tail, work them slowly.
what colour choice would be good for the jerkshad?
and what size, as well as hook size and weight
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On 4/30/2021 at 10:03 AM, slothparade said:
can't rember which ferry warf but the squids were from pier 8.
but pier 8 is at west of the sydney harbour bridge so i reckon only pelagics should be eaten from there.
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On 4/29/2021 at 10:34 PM, DerekD said:
Hi BKK, the government advice is not to.
Here is MY take on things based more on what I have read and reasoned. While I have seen some of the data it was a long time ago and I am not a marine scientist and I don't eat fish.
In the past on the Parramatta river there were chemical plants (and especially in the Homebush area). I've heard even agent Orange as used in the Vietnam war was made up there (I have not verified this).
Being less concerned (or probably less aware) of the environment there were chemical which got into the rivers. The dioxins were the bad one as they settle into the bottom and take a long time to break down. These can get into the food chain but it is not the same for all species. Something like bream which can live up to 30 years could develop a build up in their system over the years. This can then work its way into the humans but you would have to eat a lot of contaminated fish over the years. There were a number of families that commercially fished the harbour for several generations and I believe that fish made up a large part of their diet. Read this:
https://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2006/s1692445.htm
This is conjecture but I believe when it comes to the community the governing bodies have to take an extremely conservative view when advising people as to the safety of various activities. This I think is why they advised no fish to be eaten from the West of the bridge. It also ensures no come backs when people ignore the advice.
Most of the pelagics spend a lot of time outside the harbour so I think they are a low risk.
It is a non issue for me as most of my fishing is done in Sydney Harbour, Middle Harbour or Pittwater.
Regards,
Derek.
PS. Any local fishing shop should have the large eye single hooks. These are my usual go to for twisties but I get heavy duty ones too for other lures.
as pelagics move around a lot i hope it should be fine, but u never know if a king has eaten a fish that has dioxins in it tho.
generally speaking would you prefer jerk shad over zman diezel minnowz as it can help do a more aggressive retrieve or should i mix it up and see what works best.
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8 hours ago, slothparade said:
saw people getting squids. Also saw lots of people on the ferry wharfs around the time of the last ferries (10 pm or so)
but this was on the west of the harbour bridge right?
are the pelagics able to be eaten, but not the squid or anything else?
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11 hours ago, DerekD said:
Hi BKK,
The reason for changing out the treble is that it does less damage to the fish and is easier to remove for catch and release. The tailor will often engulf all three of the trebles in its mouth (say two hooks in the top lip and one in the bottom) and between the teeth and the jumping around they are a real pain to remove. Like for like in size I feel the singles are slightly stronger too. I use Gamakatsu large eye hooks but there are plenty of other excellent options out there. I don't seem to notice a significant difference in hook up rate between singles and trebles.
I generally do not stop the retrieves when winding back a twisty (although I might change the pace to see what is working). The tailor's attack involves biting the tail off the prey which then makes it an easy meal. If it doesn't know which end the tail is it can get pretty expensive as it may bite off the line end.
The stop start and darting retrieve is what I use for plastics. If I start losing tails then tailor are about then I switch to the twisty.
Regards,
Derek
am i able to get the single hooks from a shop or maybe a shop?
i have heard tailor have dioxins, and also are pelagics caught from west of the harbour still fine to eat or just good for catch and release?
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23 hours ago, DerekD said:
Hi BKK,
First thing is that it has to look right.
Second thing is it is way more important how you fish it. The kingfish often likes to chase. I've seen them follow a lure up and then as soon as you stop the retrieve they then turn away.
How do you use this to your advantage. A fast erratic retrieve gets their attention a pause then gives the king to have a look at it but before they can decide it darts off again. They have to make a split second decision to hit the lure or miss out. With the retrieve I've worked out for the minnows and slapstix we probably get 80% of the hits on the pause.
Other people on here have mentioned metals. One gentleman I've been mentoring for several months has been doing pretty well on the pelagics. His technique of preference was to cast out a 30gm silver halco twisty with hook changed to single. He let it hit the bottom and then wound it back as fast as he could. You cannot outwind the fish. Very often the faster you wind the more likely you are to hook up. Especially true for the bonito from my experience. He did pretty well over the summer. Just because we didn't see a lot of feeding on the surface it didn't mean they were not ther.e. The casting and retrieving on faith paid off during multiple sessions.
A lot of what you are asking won't hit home till you actually see it. At this stage for you it is theoretical. It took me a long time to work out what worked for me consistently. It was sometimes a lucky accident which lead to an Aha moment which improved my fishing and which I then refined as i helped other people.
I love that you are so passionate and keen but at this point I think it will be more beneficial to head out with someone or with a few people and see what they do. Filter through the information and look for the why.
is the hook for my chrome slice (similar to halco twisty) that i got from kmart have hooks that are too weak?
im slightly confused, is there a difference between a pause and stopping a retrieve shortly? at balmoral ive had many cases with bonitos with no bustups following my lure but as i reeled it towards myself and the action stopped, the fish went away as well, so what should i do in that situation?
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23 hours ago, JamoDamo said:
Spot on, if one presentation doesn't work change it up fish can be very picky sometimes!
yessir
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1 hour ago, slothparade said:
All around the city. We stayed in the youth hostel and went to manly and Bondi and stuff like that
ohh did u see people catch fish there or see bustups?
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13 minutes ago, DerekD said:
I think it will be too big but can you upload a photo of the hook alongside the plastic. 5/0 is not the same size across all brands as per the thread with the comparison photos I loaded. The front end of the plastic should sit just behind the jig head. Even better is if you rig it like you would when using.
I use the 3 and 4" minnows with my bream gear and 4lb braid.
For my 3 inch minnows (berkley power minnow) I use a TT jig head in size 1H (H is for heavy gauge). The weights I use are 1/4 or 1/6 or 1/8 oz. These are the ones:
For my 4" minnows I use the 1/0 hooks and generally the 1/4oz.
Look at the photo below. I was having a mini fishing competition with a mate. I needed a flathead to put me ahead so I wasn't worried about subtle and more concerned with covering ground. It is a 9gram ballhead jig with 1/0 hook. The hook comes out a bit too far back on the 3" lure for my liking but it still works quite well. It doesn't quite look right. It does still allow some tail movement though.
i will be able to upload to picture on saturday, but i think my hook was the same brand as yours with the yellow background 5/0 3/8. so will the bigger the hook mean less tail movement for the zman diezel minnowz which already doesnt have a lot of tail movement? and will it still catch kings
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7 hours ago, DerekD said:
Hi BKK,
This topic is a small part of what we will cover if and when you make it out with me.
I've replied to this topic a few times in the past based on my experiences and fishing style so please don't treat this as set in stone.
I would say yes on the 5/0 but the problem is that it depends on the manufacturer. For example, I use TT bullet head style jig heads. My go to is the TT Tournament type jig head (yellowish packet) but I'll also use the TT HeadlockZ. When using the headlockZ the 5/0 looks to be the same gape and size of the 3/0 in the Tournament series. Have a look at this post to see what I am talking about:
I'll generally hold the jig head alongside the plastic to see if it looks right. Where does the end of the hook sit relative to the shoulder of the lure. How does the gape look. Too big and it might put off the fish or not swim right. Too small and it reduces the chances of hooking up or it might bend when subjected to the force of a king.
Some further reading on this topic in general:
hey derekd
took me quite a while to read all of the forums u have sent but they have helped a lot. will my 5/0 hook be too big for my 3 and 4 inch zman diezel minnowz and only be good for my 5 inch?
also ive been reading ur forums and it seems that sluggos and powerbaits work better than zman diezel minnowz? or is it just less recommended for kings
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11 hours ago, slothparade said:
Thats how i found out this is a good place. Actually found it during a school camp
yes same, is it a good place tho i havent been there yet
where was ur school camp?
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20 hours ago, JamoDamo said:
I'm no expert on kings.. but these are what I have seen people using for kingies. I usually fish finesse for bream and flatties so can't really help you there but i'm sure both would work well the 10" plastics and the minnowz
yep hopefully they produce some good pelagics
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On 4/25/2021 at 10:25 PM, little fisho said:
depends on the species but keep trying with different lures, matching the profile of baitfish like mentioned before in this topic. if a fisho nearby you hooks up then you can try politely ask what he was using and try to match it with a lure of your own
ohh thank you i will definitely try that next time.
are there any lures you would suggest? or maybe bait
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On 4/25/2021 at 9:30 PM, JamoDamo said:
Sluggo's, slapstix, zman jerkshad xxl as far as I know. There would without a doubt be more
do those lures work better than the zman diezel minnowz for kings?
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On 4/25/2021 at 8:14 PM, dirvin21 said:
Yes, good quality hooks for the price
ok thanks will def buy them later on
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On 4/25/2021 at 7:54 PM, slothparade said:
Yeah I have seen people catching things at milsons point and yes its under the bridge. Walsh is a pain with float, if there's any wind the line gets caught in others or the pylons. I think the videos must be filmed over multiple times. I have never seen anyone get anything decent there caught a nice bream, snapper, had a nice run (must have been a shark). Chicken breast is the best bait and use berly. Apparently live bait works the best but from experince and watching people you either get nothing or just the head of the bait. fresh yakka strips seem to work. try a live bait if you want i had big problems with birds when i tried. Goodluck
thanks for the info i will definitely keep that in mind.
this video shows some good action at pier 8
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8 hours ago, slothparade said:
Yes there are 10" soft plastics. Under the bridge I heard is good for salmon. Not sure don't think I have actually caught one.
is under the bridge at milsons point? ive watched people catch kings and bonitos there, as well as lavendar bay
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8 hours ago, slothparade said:
From personal experience and others I know lures don't work well off pier 8. Your better off going to blues Point reserve. When I was there in on Friday 16th a whole school of big kings just swam straight past live baits and lures. I have been trying lures everytime for anything off that pier but no luck. Blues Point is the only spot I have seen people catching kings on lures. When I went last time I saw this guy using the interesting float with a flat bottom and a rounded top a bit bigger than a 50 c coin and about 50 lbs leader catch the biggest bonito I have ever seen. Not sure what bait he was using (he didn't understand English).
i have been to blues point just once and only luck there was a ten second bustup of kings, and nothing else after that. i haven't tried pier 8 but have seen many videos of success, which tempts me to try there one day. off at watsons bay i have caught bonito and king like that while trying to catch bream, using a floater like the man u saw and bait was a small strip of squid.
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20 hours ago, dirvin21 said:
Just don't go to hard and they shoukd be ok otherwise bkk spears are well priced and good quality
spear treble hooks?
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4 hours ago, little fisho said:
in my personal experience landbased, i have had more hookups while the fish are not busting up, although still near the bustups. casting large profile lures on top of a school of fish can spook them as much as excite them, so smaller metals around 5-10g have always worked better for me when casting directly into schools
when there arent any bustups should i use lures that sink or stay afloat?
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On 4/23/2021 at 10:07 AM, slurm said:
Plenty of good info here.
Pelagics can be very fussy at times so it's best to have a bunch of lures of different colours and sizes. Some of my best sessions have come from firstly getting an idea what they are eating on that day and matching that profile. This is done by just observing your surroundings, watch for birds, small schools of bait moving around etc.
You'd be surprised how locked in they can get, often throwing a 3 inch lure when they're locked in to a 2.75 inch profile will mean the difference between a fish every 20 casts or one every cast (this is golden advice I received from another raider a little while ago). For this reason, I always go out with a bunch of metals (Any will work) and soft plastics in the 4-5 inch range (Jerkshads and paddletails). If I can't match the bait with a metal, I will trim down a plastic to the profile of bait I see swimming around.
In saying that, often being unconventional can be rewarding. Many times I have been side by side with other anglers spinning metals and it's my big obnoxious popper that gets the bite.
In short, take whatever you can with you and don't be afraid to switch it up.
thank you so much for the information i really appreciate it
but are you still able to catch the fish without bustups
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7 hours ago, slothparade said:
For small kings that should work well, bigger ones you want the same in the 10" version. For bonito your better off using a chrome lure (like the ones from kmart)
do u reckon pier 8 will produce or are there any suggestions to go to for kings and bonitos maybe even salmon
are there any soft plastics in 10”??
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On 4/22/2021 at 10:51 PM, dirvin21 said:
If you go on the tackle tactics website it has rigging guides and jighead selection for zman plastics and also plastic selection for fish species
thank you ive watched the videos and they have helped
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On 4/22/2021 at 10:48 PM, dirvin21 said:
Bigger hooks go through more of the plastic giving it less movement,
Chrome slices work really well on bonnies, I'll leave the kingie advice to the experts
Pearl is definetly a goodcallround colour
will i have to change the treble hooks for the chrome slices because i heard they bend very easily but i might change them after they actually bend as i havent tried them out yet
hook size and weight for soft plastics
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yep ive had a look but i wouldnt take bream or leatherjackets as they live near the bottom, but the water seems to be clean there however but cant risk it. i feel like they should conduct a more recent test for the dioxins in fish as the last one was about ten years ago