landbased Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hey all, I finally got enough $$ to get myself a first boat YAY!!! 3.96m runabout with a healthy 33hp on the back. Anyway took her out finally for the first time today after having it sit in the back yard for the past 2 weeks (had to get licence etc...) Anyway got to the dolans bay ramp abot 8am, put her in easy tied up to the pontoon, started her purred like a kitten. untied put into gear and nothing no forward no reverse zipo WTF!?!?!?! A nice guy from a mooring company who was working close by got us back to the pontoon and looked at it and said it looked like the gearbox is rooted :( are they cheap to replace or will a service get it fixed?? its an old 1970is model evenrude, any help would be nice. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewgaffer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 (edited) .....Anyway got to the dolans bay ramp abot 8am, put her in easy tied up to the pontoon, started her purred like a kitten. untied put into gear and nothing no forward no reverse zipo.... are they cheap to replace or will a service get it fixed?? its an old 1970is model evenrude, any help would be nice. Chris Hi Landbased I feel sorry for you, just getting the second hand boat you've just bought in the water to find out you have no gears. After you've had a reliable opinion on the gearbox and if the problem looks like being an expense gear box repair and maybe a few other things you should consider replacing the old 70's model motor as obviously you liked the look of the boat when you bought it. There's a good honest marine bloke in Bundaberg who works from his sheds at home with his Dad who has been in the boat and car repair business for over fifty years and they carry new and second hand boat parts way back to the fifties. They specialise in getting hold of and doing up motors that are too expensive for the owners to fix and supply hard to get parts and sell motors they've rebulit to interstate dealers and also private buyers. If it comes to the worst with the gear box I'd buy a good 30hp motor. 33hp is a size used by Evinrude. (I have a 35hp Evinrude Elan model myself and there's plenty of power in reserve for my 15 1/2 foot aluminium Savage Side console with four people aboard. I reckon my friend whose name is Darren could sell you a complete 30hp for around $1400 which would be so clean that you could eat your dinner off it. Darren and his Dad can send a motor from Bundaberg to your door in Sydney for about $140 . I would not recommend anybody just for the sake of it but I've had a few dealings with boats in my time and Darren sent a mid nineties model 25hp Evenrude in the dark blue colours to a friend that I fish with in Seven Hills (Italian Sam) who asked my help and it's the sweetest rebuilt (not just reconditioned) motor that you'd ever want to have. Their motors are so well tuned they start with a half pull on the fly wheel with your hand. ( they rebuilt an early ninetees Johnson 15hp auxilliary for me which I now use as the main motor on my little Eagle Ray tri hull) Darren and his Dad are proud of their work and live up to their reputation not only restricted to a small place like Bundaberg but they are respected Australia wide. They are a couple of honest chaps who believe in a small labour charge for the work they do and are glad to receive a small profit for their good workmanship and effort. I'd say with confidence that Darren would do a trade on your old motor and pay for the freight up to Bundaberg as he has a small local trucking company that delivers his motors interstate. Good luck with it and if you need my help just send me a pm and I'll speak to Darren and his Dad. Cheers jewgaffer Edited September 9, 2008 by jewgaffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelican Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 (edited) You need to determin if it is actually shfting or if something is wrong internally with the box. Could be a simple as the linkage , gear lockout not dissengaging, broken driveshaft or a prop bush or as nasty as a stuffed box. If you are mechanically minded at all just remove the cowl and follow the linkage from the gear lever till it heads down to the box. Is it moving?? With the motor not running and kill switch off. Does the prop spin if you move it by hand? Any weird grinding noises. Does it stop spinning when you move it into forward or reverse? Can you hear any movement of gear selector in the gearbox when the ear lever is moved? See what your answers are but with any second hand motor you don't know the history of the best money you could spend is to have the site spnoser look over it for you. That will determin if that is the only issue and get all the servicing up to date so you are reliable on the water. If adjustment , new parts or a box from a wrecker is required it will be cheaper through them anyway. See what your answers are then give them a call with your model number off the motor Hope it is a cheap simple fix for you. Pel Edited September 12, 2008 by pelican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landbased Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 (edited) You need to determin if it is actually shfting or if something is wrong internally with the box. Could be a simple as the linkage , gear lockout not dissengaging, broken driveshaft or a prop bush or as nasty as a stuffed box. If you are mechanically minded at all just remove the cowl and follow the linkage from the gear lever till it heads down to the box. Is it moving?? With the motor not running and kill switch off. Does the prop spin if you move it by hand? Any weird grinding noises. Does it stop spinning when you move it into forward or reverse? Can you hear any movement of gear selector in the gearbox when the ear lever is moved? When I pulled it out of the water the prop spun when in gear but an hour or so later it didnt. there are no grinding noises and sometimes it feels like it goes into gear and sometimes not. I hope it doesnt cost much coz it took a year to save the small amt this one cost. p.s I remember someone saying that the prop shaft can come loose and that could be it . Ideas? Edited September 9, 2008 by landbased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a boat Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 (edited) Hi Mate, if it is a 33HP, it will be an old outboard and they have drive pins. Remove the prop and I would not be surprised to find you just have a broken drive pin. Added:- The drive pins cost about $4-so an easy cheap fix and best to get a few to keep as spares. Cheers, Huey. Edited September 10, 2008 by Huey @ Huett Marine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landbased Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbielites Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi mate, That really sux I am not far from you, I can come and have a look for you. I am no mechanic but would be able to determine if it needs to go to Huey or is a simple fix. I have PMd you my number, give me a yell if you want to line it up. Robbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi mate, That really sux I am not far from you, I can come and have a look for you. I am no mechanic but would be able to determine if it needs to go to Huey or is a simple fix. I have PMd you my number, give me a yell if you want to line it up. Robbie. Good onya Robbie! Yet another example of the community attitude of Fishraiders I was really disappointed for you Chris after reading your post. Saved hard for a boat, super keen at the ramp, imagining the many successful outings that the future holds, then .... nothing happens I hope it is a quick and cheap remedy that rectifies your problem mate, so you are back on the water ASAP. Best of luck, and let us know how you go. Cheers Hodgey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landbased Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 just a quick update, I took the boat to robbie house today for a look , looks like bad news oh well thems the brakes prolly gonna be a long time before i can take it out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelican Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 How bad is bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbielites Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 How bad is bad? Is brown sludgey mud coming out of the box drain holes bad? The oil actually smelt like burnt sump oil not gear box oil and was the colour of bad nescafe coffee. As previously stated I am no mechanic, I just looked for the things that have bitten me before. Linkages were moving freely and doing what they should from the control box to the motor. After that is another man guess. The prop shaft had no unusual free play on any axis that I could determine but when turning the prop a full rotation (in gear) with the ear to the leg the end of the revolution had what I would describe as an unusual grating noise. Said noise seemed to be lower down not up top. That's all I got. If some one else can help Chris out please do. It's his first boat and I would hate for this experience to put him off a great pass time. Robbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWANNABROCK Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Did you pull the prop off? perhaps it is a broken drive shaft,if you put it into gear can you turn the prop still or does it lock up as it should? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a boat Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Hi Chris, as I have said in our PMs, bring it in and it will not cost you alot to determine what has happened. Considering there is not much to these older gearboxes even if it has failed big time they can be cost effective to repair. Only problem is mate, that your engine being the age it will be, is not really worth much money and you have to be careful not to spend too much on old outboards like yours. For me to have a look it would not cost you anything and it could be just a broken drive pin as I first thought. Also as mentioned it would only take about an hour to remove and dismantle the box if need be-so that will not cost alot either if it gets to that stage. Cheers, Huey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landbased Posted September 13, 2008 Author Share Posted September 13, 2008 thanks huey, i just have to save to be able to bring it in for that first look lol when i can get some together i can bring it in for yoy to look at. thanks for the help guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landbased Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 Just a quick update, got the boat back with some stuff fixed put it in water and still no dice I have been told that its new motor time now, good first experiance buying a boat. oh well I should be able to get one soonish (just hope before next winter ) :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORES Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 That sux, Good luck landbased. You can pick up a good motor for the rightprice mate Im sure, and look at it this way, at least you know its not going to let you down. Im sure HueyM could sorce one for you mate. But if you could afford it or save that little bit more get a brand new 30hp mate, huey will help.At least when you want to upgrade the boat just buy a new hull and you will allready have the new motor you purchased. Then you cant go wrong. I think we have all had simillar experience with our first boats. Good luck Pm me if you would like any help with stuff, inc installation to help with nocking a few $ off end price so you could get it sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWANNABROCK Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Just a quick update, got the boat back with some stuff fixed put it in water and still no dice I have been told that its new motor time now, good first experiance buying a boat. oh well I should be able to get one soonish (just hope before next winter ) :( Did you take it too Huey? if so what was the prognosis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a boat Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) Hi, yes we looked at Chris boat last week and the inital problem was the shift shaft connector had come undone. Remove the gearbox to fix that and the impeller was badly worn. So after the go ahead we replace the impeller, re-install the gearbox and do a basic service. Start up and she runs fine on the flusher and goes in and out of gear well. Tell Chris only way to know for sure is to water test it. He comes up and takes it to the river and the gear slips, which means new gears etc and the engine is not really worth it, so we stop at that. Sometimes with older outboards you fix one problem and then another one comes along and it can be a never ending and expensive excercise-sometimes better to cut your losses as they say. Unfortunately Chris got an engine with some expensive problems and considering it is over 40 years old, it becomes too costly to fix. Chris you were saying you were going to get in touch with the previous owner because on Ebay you mentioned you have recourse-how did that go? Cheers, Huey. Edited October 1, 2008 by Huey @ Huett Marine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landbased Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 hey is in the claims dept now, just a matter of time to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORES Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 hey is in the claims dept now, just a matter of time to see what happens. Sorry to bust your buble, but if the seller does not want to help you via verbal contact, claims department willjust give him a slap in the wrist. If you still got his phone number give him a call and ask for some moneytry compensation. Speaking through experiance. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landbased Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 Sorry to bust your buble, but if the seller does not want to help you via verbal contact, claims department willjust give him a slap in the wrist. If you still got his phone number give him a call and ask for some moneytry compensation. Speaking through experiance. Cheers fair enuff, oh well no matter ill just save and get a new motor (i'm tracking them down now ), also i lost the bad person's number but I have the adress so ill send him a nice letter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORES Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 fair enuff, oh well no matter ill just save and get a new motor (i'm tracking them down now ), also i lost the bad person's number but I have the adress so ill send him a nice letter It wont hurt to try to ask for $500 refund or something, I dont know how much you paid? But something is better than nothing. You never know he might have a change of heart. And get a new one mate, you cant go wrong. When I was looking at motors I found that Yamaha where a very good price, also tohatsu. These two engines will put you with a new 30hp with a smaller outlay. Due to me needing a much biger engine I and had much bigger budget I went with a Suzuki 90 4stroke. I dont know if Huey M could match or better these prices for a mercury or mariner but the exercise is worth it. Any way good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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