New etec on the way

[a boat]

Hi, DI is Direct Injection and in some form or another has been used in combustion engines for a very long time. In the outboard game 1996 saw them first and this new G2 design is the first block to be built to suit DI and that is why E-TEC G2 gets the best fuel economy(and I do not care what other brand you want to compare it too), the best emissions by a long way with very low CO emissions, like it's G1 brother- CO does not do anything to the environment, but us humans do not like CO and you maybe shocked what some brands and technology pump out at idle. All this plus performance that until you experience it you will not believe it and I have driven fast boat all my life but this new G2 is better than any production engine made. Yes we will see smaller HP engines, do not ask me the time frame because I honestly do not know but the current range of outboards are already leaders in most field, especially total accountable emissions, the two G1 and G2 will be side by side for a few years yet. As for starboard/starboard block design, simply put it is a new way of getting rid of the exhaust, because all mechanical devises using pistons have a thust side and on a old design V block the port bank had the pistons have this thrust and exhaust on the same side so a lot of stress to deal with. By making the exhaust like this new design the performance, fuel economy, noise, emissions, longevity and reliability is very much improved and JUST one of the many things that this new engine has that the rest of the industry does not. Going from the first generation DI, that is the one before E-TEC, to the current platform saw big improvements so going from E-TEC G1 to G2 the improvements are huge too and the rest of the industry are around G1 figures in terms of economy and emissions.

If you are wanting to buy a larger HP outboard in the next 6 odd months my advise would be at least wait till these hit our shores and you need to experience these and if you still want to fit another brand of outboard then no problem but if you buy another outboard before at least trying these you would be foolish.

Cheers,

Huey.

[scaffsta]

Thanks Huey :-)

Cheers Steve

Edited June 19, 2014 by Madracket

[Sydneyfisher12]

There really cool I love the look and I love the red it's awesome

I wish they made one in a 60hp because I'd have to get it for my boat

Cheers sydneyfisher12

[thefisherman6784]

That look awesome

Might have to talk to my dad to get a bigger boat when we get one

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[Wulau]

Something to think about. Quote from Wiki about Gasoline direct injection.

Emissions[edit]

In 2013, a research by TÜV NORD found that although gasoline direct injection engines dramatically reduce CO2 emissions, they release about 1,000 times more particles classified by the World Health Organization as harmful than traditional petrol engines and 10 times more than new diesel engines. The release happens because direct injection results in uneven burning of fuel due to uneven mixing of fuel and air (stratification) and because direct injection engines operate with a higher pressure in their cylinders than the older engines.

This pollution can be prevented with a relatively inexpensive filter that can significantly reduce the emissions of particles. However, fitting the filter is not mandatory yet.

[a boat]

Hi, can not comment on that but as per the EPA testing done for the marine industry the Evinrude brand of outboard is the cleanest when the HC+NOx and CO are included and why they are the only brand of outboard to win an award from the EPA. All modern engines are clean and the Gen1 are up there with the best and the new G2 taking emissions to another level. If you want to learn send me your email via a PM and I can send you all the literature you like about this subject and even the name of the guru in the States that knows all about emissions for the marine industry. I could bore people here with all the details but at the end of the day the brand we are talking about is the cleanest without sacrificing performance or fuel economy-a win-win situation for a boat owner.

Cheers,

Huey.

[a boat]

There really cool I love the look and I love the red it's awesome

I wish they made one in a 60hp because I'd have to get it for my boat

Cheers sydneyfisher12

HI Mate, they will but not in immediate future and the current 60HP is a solid performer already for good fuel burn numbers, emission outputs and performance-all plus cash-back at present, high performance SST props and lowest ownership costs.

Cheers,

Huey.

[BWV]

In my experience the engine with the stbd/stbd design will alleviate one of the most common heat failures experienced in 2 stroke engines, nearly all heat related failures are in the port side cylinders due to extra heat build up on that side on of outboard. All being said I thinks it's a good design the Evinrude have R&D and hopefully it works as planned.

Nothing I have seen or read about yet suggest that these new outboards are "Game Changers" at the moment. In saying that they do have some very nice features.

Electronic steering, it's great and wouldn't own another boat with out it but I had it on my 2005 verado. Now in saying that hopefully the Evinrude steering is much quiter than the verado's. It just maybe quieter because the steering is incorporated on the outboard itself.

The incorporated oil tank is a cool feature and I'd rather have it than not but I won't loose any sleep if I didn't have it.

The new rigging system is nice and I am glad that Evinrude have lifted the standard in that department.

The maintenance free for 5/5/5 yrs is great but if they have the same statement in the user manual that was in my ETecs manual that stated that annual owner maintenance was required every 12 months if used in saltwater.

All of these changes are nice but not game changers in my opinion.

As for the CO output, who really cares with an outboard as it is absolutely insignificant amount in the big picture. Most outboards would be lucky if the get 100 hrs a yr. Even if you put a 1000hrs on it per yr it wouldn't rate a mention in the overall scheme of things.

In my opinion what would be game changing if they burn 15%+ less fuel for the power output (I know BRP claim that it is the case but I'll leave that judgement for real world figures), or they where 350-400hp and they were a hell of a lot cheaper than other comparative hp outboards. As for the claimed torque figures I'll wait until there is independent testing to be carried out before I make my mind up, not company based marketing advertisement. I don't want to watch another BRP video of the ETec pull a yamaha powered vessel backwards to then watch the yamaha DVD out perform the mercury outboard then watch the mercury DVD with the mercury out performing the ETec, surely the marketing departments don't think the average boater is that gullible.

For BRP I hope it is a game changer, because we will all benefit from it if it is even if your a Yamaha, Mercury, Suzuki or Honda guy.

Edited June 20, 2014 by Whaler 255

[a boat]

Hi Whaler, on some of your points you drag up the golden oldies-the service, in saltwater or fresh water, is 3 years or 300 hours on G1 and longer on G2, says so in the latest owners manuals-of course some people like to say can not happen and I say to them if that is the way you feel then service that engine sooner if you want -it is their engine and no one is forcing them to go that long but most miss the point, in that you get the warranty and you do not have to do yearly services. We have been doing this over 50 years and I have driven them all and this engine is on another level so you should try and get a run in one when they come down under. The steering is alot quieter than the Verado-yes I drove them back in the day at the Merc Expo when they first came out and have driven them since and they still whine. This new design is silent with the engine running and the transom assembly on the engine DOES not move an inch when running at big speed in rough water-saw it with my own eyes on the trip Scarab at insane speeds for the condition last Sunday. As for fuel burn, again saw it with my eyes on the display and at certain RPM it was even better. As for CO, if you do not worry about it then your call but us humans do not cope well with high CO in the air and more so with the old station wagon effect at low speeds where these fumes get sucked back in to the cockpit-at the end of the day the G2 mets and far exceeds today's standard and future ones. As for the DVD, it would not surprise me to see another one and nothing stopping the other guys coming out with their own if they think it is smoke and mirrors and the "average" boater, the one that might be buying his/her first boat or are not very mechanically minded like to see this sort of thing. Why do you think Merc or Yamaha have not done their own and again I for one have been on boats powered by the different technologies and just like in the DVD, one brand was able to plane the boat when it was just running while the other brand was not-no smoke and mirrors there because both were propped to hit the right WOT RPM when both engines were running. Have have the videos to prove it if you ever want to see them. As for larger ones, they have a STRONG 300HP at present that would holds it own well against the other 350HP's with less weight and even in the States there is not much of a market for 400HP's, but that said talking to one of the two guys directly involved with the new powerhead, adding two more cylinders is not hard due to their lost foam technology. As for price, the market with any product will determine that and when you factor in all the features of G2 like the displays, the steering with load sensitive steering that actually tightens up the faster you are going or the operator can adjust, the controls with the brilliant I-Trim-that actually trims in itself in tight turns, the warranty and service costs then it is very good value compared to the other guys.

I agree this new engine has raised the bar which is good for any industry and it will be interesting to see what the other guys do over the next few years to come out with a totally new platform. Keep your eyes out and I will have a demo engine late this year and you would be more than welcome to come for a spin with me and then, only after trying this engine for yourself, would be able to make an educated opinion on if it is a good engine or not.

I guess this is just one person opinion and you can take it or leave, but I have been lucky enough to be around boats ALL my life and have driven them all and this new engine exceeded my expectations by a fair margin.

Cheers,

Huey.

[tasksta]

People talk about 'performance' of an outboard, surely 200hp is 200hp? I know there may be an increased torque curve vs another model but its not like an outboard takes long to rev out and there is only one gear?

[BWV]

People talk about 'performance' of an outboard, surely 200hp is 200hp? I know there may be an increased torque curve vs another model but its not like an outboard takes long to rev out and there is only one gear?

Not all engines have to meet the actual quoted hp figure that they are stamped with. I think they have to be within 10% of the stated figure. Maybe someone else can confirm or deny the percentage difference. 2 outboards that spring to mind are the 3.3l yamaha 225hp only made 208hp and the 3.3l yamaha 250hp makes about 268hp if my memory is correct. I think the US EPA web site will have all the true power output of every outboard.

Yes the is only one true gear but realistically the propeller is the last gear and they are all different.

[BWV]

Hi Huey, the marketing department of BRP do a very good job but it can become misleading to a quite a few people, if you stop random people at the ramp and ask them about their ETec one of the first comments is always "I don't have to do any maintenance for 3 years" which is incorrect, I know it's not BRP's fault that people do not know what there maintenance requirements are but it's makes me think how they come to these conclusions. Yes, no one is forcing them to go that long between service periods but they believe they can. I see the new statement will be "I don't have to do any maintenance for 5 years". Don't get me wrong I think the 5/5/5 is great and is better than most.

Yeah I can't wait until they are released in Australia so I can see them in the flesh and go for a run on a vessel with the G2, thanks for the invitation I am really looking forward to it.

On the topic of the DVD, I can't speak for the BRP or other companies as to what there reasons could be but I can make a few assumptions. No company is going to put anything out that doesn't show their product as the number 1. By everything BRP has put out they are the best and win all comparisons, Yamaha's promotional stuff shows them winning every comparison and so does mercury. So I make the assumption that there is little credibility in the promotional videos and booklets. As said previously I am happy to sit on the fence until independent testing is carried out to see what claims are truthful. I'll try and find the actual hp and torque figures for the G2's and paste them on this thread when the US Agency publish them or I find them.

I believe there is a huge market for 400hp+ outboards, when there is 30-50ft cc's everywhere in the us running triple and quad 350hps. A few weeks ago Intrepid powerboats launched there first vessel with quad 7 marines 557hp. I think it would be pretty impressive if the G2 had 8 cylinders in a two stroke! Is there any plans for it at this stage?

Please don't get me wrong I am not trying to bash the product, I have owned Yamaha's, merc's, etec, erudes and have spend years working with them. They all have the positives and negatives and i would recommend any of them dependent on what useage they wanted out of them. I have been around boats all my life as well both for fun and it's where I make my living too, and no I don't sell any products I simply use them everyday.

I agree it will be interesting what is released next by all outboard manufactures. I don't believe much has happened since the verado hit the market. People will say the 557 is the latest thing but it is so unaffordable to most people that it is more of a side show than a game changer.

Edited June 22, 2014 by Whaler 255

[a boat]

People talk about 'performance' of an outboard, surely 200hp is 200hp? I know there may be an increased torque curve vs another model but its not like an outboard takes long to rev out and there is only one gear?

Hi, no not at all, as mentioned there is a 10% variance allowed and trust me one 200HP, say a 4 cylinder 200HP, will not have anywhere near the performance of this new G2 we are discussing here. It has been this way for many many years and a classic example is the 90HP class where back in the carby days one brand had a V4 platform where the others rang I-3 and the performance difference then and today with these carby engines is alot.

Cheers,

Huey.

[a boat]

Hi Huey, the marketing department of BRP do a very good job but it can become misleading to a quite a few people, if you stop random people at the ramp and ask them about their ETec one of the first comments is always "I don't have to do any maintenance for 3 years" which is incorrect, I know it's not BRP's fault that people do not know what there maintenance requirements are but it's makes me think how they come to these conclusions. Yes, no one is forcing them to go that long between service periods but they believe they can. I see the new statement will be "I don't have to do any maintenance for 5 years". Don't get me wrong I think the 5/5/5 is great and is better than most.

Yeah I can't wait until they are released in Australia so I can see them in the flesh and go for a run on a vessel with the G2, thanks for the invitation I am really looking forward to it.

On the topic of the DVD, I can't speak for the BRP or other companies as to what there reasons could be but I can make a few assumptions. No company is going to put anything out that doesn't show their product as the number 1. By everything BRP has put out they are the best and win all comparisons, Yamaha's promotional stuff shows them winning every comparison and so does mercury. So I make the assumption that there is little credibility in the promotional videos and booklets. As said previously I am happy to sit on the fence until independent testing is carried out to see what claims are truthful. I'll try and find the actual hp and torque figures for the G2's and paste them on this thread when the US Agency publish them or I find them.

I believe there is a huge market for 400hp+ outboards, when there is 30-50ft cc's everywhere in the us running triple and quad 350hps. A few weeks ago Intrepid powerboats launched there first vessel with quad 7 marines 557hp. I think it would be pretty impressive if the G2 had 8 cylinders in a two stroke! Is there any plans for it at this stage?

Please don't get me wrong I am not trying to bash the product, I have owned Yamaha's, merc's, etec, erudes and have spend years working with them. They all have the positives and negatives and i would recommend any of them dependent on what useage they wanted out of them. I have been around boats all my life as well both for fun and it's where I make my living too, and no I don't sell any products I simply use them everyday.

I agree it will be interesting what is released next by all outboard manufactures. I don't believe much has happened since the verado hit the market. People will say the 557 is the latest thing but it is so unaffordable to most people that it is more of a side show than a game changer.

Hi Mate, good points and yes time will tell and do not worry once I get one of these G2's you are more than welcome to experience one for yourself and make up your own mind then. Yes the 557 is thinking outside the box and from what I have heard they are impressive engines too, just doubt we will see any down under, which is a shame because I would love to try one of these too. BRP have plans for bigger but I think the next platform will be smaller due to the 150HP market being so big over there-they sell 150HP's like we sell 15HP's.

Cheers,

Huey.

[BWV]

Here is the link to see what your true horsepower output of your outboard is

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/certdata.htm#marinesi

They have changed the forms around 2011 and I am not quite sure how to work out the hp output from 2011 onwards, there seems to be information missing.

You'll find the output power quoted in KW/hr so multiply that figure by 1.341= true horsepower for your motor.

Suzuki DF140 = 138 hp

Suzuki DF150 = 147 hp

Yamaha F150 = 160 hp

Yamaha F200 = 198 hp

Yamaha F255 = 208 hp

Yamaha F250 = 262 hp

Yamaha F350 = 335 hp

Honda BF 255 = 225hp

ETec 250 = 246 hp

ETec 300 = 296 hp

Merc Vrod 275 = 275 hp

Merc Vrod 300 = 295 hp

I know it's off topic but just for interest sake.

[a boat]

Hi, yes for the last few years I have no made much sense of the EPA site. Not sure what a Y F255 is, I suspect it should be 225HP and as you can see most are within 10% of the sticker, but HP is juts one side of the story and torque is much more important to how easy an outboard gets a boat up and going and I have driven pretty much all on that list plus the new G2 and nothing is close in raw power.

Cheers,

Huey.

[Juggs]

People talk about 'performance' of an outboard, surely 200hp is 200hp? I know there may be an increased torque curve vs another model but its not like an outboard takes long to rev out and there is only one gear?

200hp isnt 200hp

one could be a 2.3l engine the other a 3.0 l engine

2 stroke 4 stroke 2 stroke supercharged

add different gear box ratios

and no two engines both claiming 200hp are the same

[Juggs]

huey are they bringing out any other capacity engines in this new format ?

ive seen the reports on 2 stroke v 4 stroke exhaust emissions

but one i never see is unburnt oil residue or burnt oil particulate emission comparison

[a boat]

Hi, yes in time the G2 will filter its way down in HP. Not sure what you mean by unburnt oil residue but as I said the used oil in an E-TEC is included in its emissions while the used 4-Stroke oil, and where it ends up (could be down the sink) is not. In total emissions, that is HC and NOx, even the G1 is up there with the cleanest if not the cleanest and that is why it is the ONLY outboard to win an award from the EPA and when CO is factored in, that is no good for humans, it is even cleaner. The new G2 take emissions to another total level altogether and is along way ahead of the pack any way you want to look at it. CO emissions are going to be a big issue in the future because of the damage it can do to humans.

All 3 Star engines are clean it is just that some engines are a fair bit cleaner than the standard and other technologies.

Cheers,

Huey.