:ohyeh: thanks boys-i got hold of some of that --graphite metal tresse--------its great---the best wire ive used in my view-----very flexable--i got 15kg strength----in 4 night sessions this week no jew yet-my mate lost one about 20kg last nite in the shore dump-but we have been averaging 5-6 kilo size bream caught by mistake using 6/0 size hooks with this wire stuff each session-i also snagged a 4kg chopper 2 nights ago and no bite off problems at all---------so thanks for putting me onto this stuff--------gregg :happy: