There is also some Redington stuff around at the moment for good prices I have a RedFly 8f5/6wct its great for around trees still has good control and with BFR rimfly reel you can change lines with out fuss.I have 4 cassette type spools for the reel with 4 different lines.It cops a floging trout /bass/bream/flaties and carp boy they go.