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On 4/18/2024 at 4:52 PM, Ben Hall said:
I just tried to give you an idea of some outfits I use that work and are comfortable to use, I just love casting the light 9 foot rod, like if you wanted to fish smaller plastics it would be nicer then and big heavy rod but if I was going to go for maximum distance I would take my 11 foot Lateo Pirate Daiwa rods in either 7 to 15kg or 10 to 20kg which I run either 20 or 30lb braid with a 4500H Saltiga or 5000H Saltiga.
Yeah I love the Shimano Stella, but yeah not the sort of reel you want to get beat up.
There's just so many variables, it's not often you can spin a Longtail off the beach unless conditions allow and on that day I would of preferred my 11 foot distance rod but the 9 foot rod got the job done, hopefully with your Tailor and Salmon you can find the right bank that you can cast a metal lure the distance to be in the zone something like a 40 gram metal.
And yes I have used the 9 foot rod rigged with gang hooks with pilchards to get the job done but would prefer a longer rod. And also put a small Thunnus 8000 on it with 15lb mono which I fished bait in the right conditions which sometimes a long cast is not required to fish a close in bank or gutter.
Like Restyles comment above its hard to get a outfit that does both jobs well, and the Sensor Surf rod he mentioned is the rod that took over from the discontinued Heartland I spoke of, I also have a Sensor Surf which is exactly the same as the Heartland only different colours and labels.
Hope that helps
6 hours ago, DrRaymondSnapper said:I used a 9 ft Penn Prevail 2 for a while [ or was it 9'6 ] but changed to an Abu Garcia Veritas in the same length. The Abu had a much faster action and could cast a mile. I also have Shimano Aerowaves but the Veritas is my go-to rod on the beach. Nice and light so I can hold it all day but plenty of grunt for larger fish. The Veritas would be better if contemplating lures too. I also use a 12 ft Penn Prevail too for heavier baits for jews. All the rods I mentioned are not hard on the wallet either. Reels are Shimano Stradics in 5000 / Spheros 6000 or Ultegra XR for the heavier rods. And my only Daiwa reel --a 23 TD Sol in 5000 size. And a Big Baitrunner Long cast but that`s a heavy reel to hold for long periods of time.
Thanks guys, much appreciated advice. Now settled on getting 2 different rods.
IAs for the lure setup 'm aiming for a 10 ft rod, looking at the Penn allegiance, veritas, and Shimano speed master. Other than the dawia, can you recommend any others? And what weight class should I be aiming for, as I want to cast lures for tailor, salmon, Jew, ECT, and matches the reels below.
As for the reel, it's coming down to line capacity, I have been recommended to look at a 5500 slammer which has a line capacity of 380/30lbs. But I want to cut down a bit of the weight. So I'm looking at the Saragosas 6000hg but it only has a line capacity of 295/30lbs. Will that he enough for Jews?
Any pointers with ideal line capacity would be much appreciated.
As for the bait rod, I'll probably go a prevail 24-37kg or 15kg. I know the 37kg will be a broom stick but I prefer that when handling sharks.
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4 hours ago, Steve0 said:
The poor man's Stella, the Saragosa has IPX8 water protection. I had no problems with my (at least) annually serviced Shimano Saragosa 5000, tossing mostly 40g lures fishing an average 3 days per week for about 8 years, including a couple of washes in breaking waves after accidentally dropping my rod. Before that, I wore out two unsealed reels in about 12 months (bathed neither of those in surf). To give you some idea how hard I fished, the crank handle on one unsealed reel wore halfway through in six months. Fine sand does a lot of damage! Gears were OK. Bottom line: make sure you get a well sealed reel for serious beach fishing.
Shimano offer a lower priced Spheros, at a slightly lower price than Saragosa but has the same sealing and would suit someone who beach fishes less frequently than I did. Unfortunately, the Shimano reel sealing is limited to 5000 and up reels and up and not every Shimano reel has it. The feature to look for is X-shield. X-protect is a lower level of protection for lighter reels.
Review from a comprehensive tester: https://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/spswa/
That sounds promising, I'm definitely going to be adding a saragosa to the list to look at.
Talking about breakages, I actually managed to strip the main gear of one reel and burn out the drag of a spinfisher 😂.
I'm only interested in properly sealed reels, as I know the effects of sand and salt all to well.
Is the sphroes a good option or would I be best to spend the extra for a saragosa as this will be used off a kayak as well.
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13 minutes ago, Steve0 said:
The poor man's Stella, the Saragosa has IPX8 water protection. I had no problems with my (at least) annually serviced Shimano Saragosa 5000, tossing mostly 40g lures fishing an average 3 days per week for about 8 years, including a couple of washes in breaking waves after accidentally dropping my rod. Before that, I wore out two unsealed reels in about 12 months (bathed neither of those in surf). To give you some idea how hard I fished, the crank handle on one unsealed reel wore halfway through in six months. Fine sand does a lot of damage! Gears were OK. Bottom line: make sure you get a well sealed reel for serious beach fishing.
Shimano offer a lower priced Spheros, at a slightly lower price than Saragosa but has the same sealing and would suit someone who beach fishes less frequently than I did. Unfortunately, the Shimano reel sealing is limited to 5000 and up reels and up and not every Shimano reel has it. The feature to look for is X-shield. X-protect is a lower level of protection for lighter reels.
Review from a comprehensive tester: https://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/spswa/
That sounds promising, I'm definitely going to be adding a saragosa to the list to look at.
Talking about breakages, I actually managed to strip the main gear of one reel and burn out the drag of a spinfisher 😂.
I'm only interested in properly sealed reels, as I know the effects of sand and salt all to well.
Is the sphroes a good option or would I be best to spend the extra for a saragosa as this will be used off a kayak as well
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23 hours ago, Restyle said:
Rods for both soaking baits and lures can be challenging as you want a fairly long rod to get the line above the breakers when soaking Bait but you also want a fairly short 10ft or so rod for the lures so it can be much lighter and easier to handle.
my goto bait setups are
Lighter surf for salmon, tailor is a sensor surf 13ft with a 8000 saragosa
Heavier surf for mulloway, big rays and sharks is a sensor surf 16ft with a 10000 saragosa
both rods work well off Stockton and other high energy beaches where the water can be quite turbulent and a lot of sweep
the light surf has 14lb main line with 20lb leader and the heavy surf has 30lb main, 30lb or 40lb leader. I also have a penn prevail 12 and 13ft but much prefer the sensor surf. You can easily cast out much heavier baits, the rods 10x lighter, good action and a very long butt which makes casting a breeze. I only use the penn prevail in areas where I don’t need to cast far or as a loan rod to mates.
Sorry, how are you finding the Saragosas? Are they giving you maintenance trouble? I'm currently looking at the 6000hg as it's very similar weight to the slammer 4500 but has a bit more line capacity. I'm planning on going to a shop and actually having a play with both.
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23 hours ago, Restyle said:
Rods for both soaking baits and lures can be challenging as you want a fairly long rod to get the line above the breakers when soaking Bait but you also want a fairly short 10ft or so rod for the lures so it can be much lighter and easier to handle.
my goto bait setups are
Lighter surf for salmon, tailor is a sensor surf 13ft with a 8000 saragosa
Heavier surf for mulloway, big rays and sharks is a sensor surf 16ft with a 10000 saragosa
both rods work well off Stockton and other high energy beaches where the water can be quite turbulent and a lot of sweep
the light surf has 14lb main line with 20lb leader and the heavy surf has 30lb main, 30lb or 40lb leader. I also have a penn prevail 12 and 13ft but much prefer the sensor surf. You can easily cast out much heavier baits, the rods 10x lighter, good action and a very long butt which makes casting a breeze. I only use the penn prevail in areas where I don’t need to cast far or as a loan rod to mates.
Thanks for the great answer, actually was perfect, because the beach I mainly fish is Stockton.
I've been looking at the Penn allegiance as it has a medium-fast action and has a more suitable length for lures. What length would you use for lures on Stockton? I'm strongly considering the 9' allegiance but also open to other rods, I was also looking at the Shimano speed master.
I did used to have a heavy surf setup, with a 37kg rod and a 10500 slammer, until the rod gave wave and snapped. That setup stopped everything 😂.
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16 hours ago, Restyle said:
Rods for both soaking baits and lures can be challenging as you want a fairly long rod to get the line above the breakers when soaking Bait but you also want a fairly short 10ft or so rod for the lures so it can be much lighter and easier to handle.
my goto bait setups are
Lighter surf for salmon, tailor is a sensor surf 13ft with a 8000 saragosa
Heavier surf for mulloway, big rays and sharks is a sensor surf 16ft with a 10000 saragosa
both rods work well off Stockton and other high energy beaches where the water can be quite turbulent and a lot of sweep
the light surf has 14lb main line with 20lb leader and the heavy surf has 30lb main, 30lb or 40lb leader. I also have a penn prevail 12 and 13ft but much prefer the sensor surf. You can easily cast out much heavier baits, the rods 10x lighter, good action and a very long butt which makes casting a breeze. I only use the penn prevail in areas where I don’t need to cast far or as a loan rod to mates.
Other than the dawia sensor, can you please recommend any other brand or rod? I've had a couple of bad experiences with dawia and now don't buy from them anymore. Got 2 saltists, within 4 weeks, a few of the guide inserts fell out while just sitting on the shelf, called dawia and they said I can either send them back and wait 6 weeks for them to make up their mind wether it's a warranty or I can go fix it myself, (they wanted me to pay shipping both ways).
Looking to get a heavier rod for baitfishing for Jews, something in the 15kg range.
Do you ever target Jews on lure off the beach? What setup would you use?
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15 hours ago, Restyle said:
i took 3 beach rods, 2 7ft 1 pce terez rods & a light spinning down to south aus for 25 odd days and had no issues with space ontop of food, water, tackle etc
Been meaning to ask, do you have a smaller tackle box that you pack for traveling? Or do you just take everything?
Once I have the fridge, recovery gear, sleeping arrangements, spare parts, fuel, water, ECT, really not much spare left. Have you had any experience with a 3 piece rod? Are they any good?
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14 minutes ago, Ben Hall said:
I would try to work towards 2 outfits.
I'm pretty much just a Daiwa and Shimano so don't know about the Penn outfits that seem very popular.
I do alot of spinning and spin with rods between 8 foot and 12 foot for varies reasons from the beaches and rocks.
So when take a rod to spin the beach while bait fishing aswell I always reach for my Shimano Revolution 9 foot spin rod which is 6 to 10kg which are a good price.
The reel I run on this is a Shimano Stella 5000 with 20lb braid on it which is a high end reel but something like a Stradic or Saragosa would go nice on this rod to bring the price down. I've even managed a nice Longtail Tuna off the beach around 12kg on this outfit.
Having a spin rod ready to go at all times can really help when fish turn up.
As for bait fishing I lean towards a rod around 11 to 12 foot in that 7 to 15kg or 10 to 20kg range since I'm usually trying to cast large baits out intended for Jewfish. My 7 to 15kg rod is a Daiwa Heartland which has been discontinued the 10 to 20kg is a Shimano Revolution which I pair with a Shimano Thunnus 16000f which have a baitrunner feature so you can have the rod set that allows line to be taken from the reel on near zero tension and with one wind of the handle you can set the hook with the pre set drag pressure you've set. And for my bait fishing off the beach fishing for Tailor and Jewfish I use 20 to 30lb mono.
I've caught Jewfish up to 27kg on this outfit on 20lb mono.
Hope this helps, this is just my choice for this style of fishing. I'm sure you'll get some different advice.
Tight lines
Agree with the 2 setups, and I actually do have multiple beach rods. Just to elaborate my situation, I am getting into long distance touring so having multiple rods just doesn't fly, hence why I'm looking for a more multi purpose one.
What influenced your decision to choose a 9' rod for spinning on the beach? I found with my 9' rod, I was struggling to get lures out any reasonable distance.
How robust do you find the Stella? Often looked them, but then considered what my gear goes through. My rods get strapped to the front of the car and run up and down the beach. They also get dunked, dropped in sand, splashed on the kayak ECT, hence I transitioned over to Penn as the stradics were giving me trouble.
As for the bait fishing, would you ever use your lure setup if say you could only bring one setup? The nice thing about the 4500 slammer is it has the line capacity and the drag to stop most things on the beach while being light enough to cast. As for the rod, what do you think of 8-12kg, would that be a reasonable compromise? Can still flick smaller lures for tailor, salmon, ECT and reasonable lures for jewfish.
As for my dedicated jewfish bait setup, I already have a baitrunner and just need replace the rod as it fell out of the rod holder and was run over. But at the moment, have been using a 8-12kg heavy rod. Do plan to get a 15kg. Use to have a 24-37kg but that one was unfortunately snapped.
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Good afternoon, after a 2 year break, i am returning to fishing. I am looking for some advice in regards to beach fishing combos.
My intended use for this would be to cast lures for jewfish, tailor, salmon, ect, with a secondary use of soaking baits for jewfish, bream, flatties, salmon, ect.
I am currently looking at a penn slammer iv 4500hs paired with a penn prevail. Firstly, I am wondering what weight class would suit my purpose the best. Secondly is there any other combos i should be looing at, thanks.
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Lots of fatties, the bottom is quite muddy, so keep that in mind and it's quite shallow through there. Think of it like a big mud flat. Its starting to get a little bit to cold for whiting, but there may be some around.
Main target would be fatties. Though there are bream in holding up in pockets
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I've eaten them and am still here, so I'd assume they're ok to eat. If your worried id just not eat to many. They're good with garlic and butter
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Yeah I've had an issue like that, they measured the bream which was right on the legal dot, and they still took it and gave me a warning. I guess it depends on who you bump into. Do they have a quota to fill?
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Live prawns for harbour kings.
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Try a bit of burley, slightly larger sinker and drop it through the school and slowly bring it back up and drop it down again.
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On 3/20/2024 at 6:35 PM, The Asian Squid said:
Would the Freams 2000 be a good alternative?
Yeah they're great
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I use a td hyper rod with a stradic 2500
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It's really easy, just get one of those through hull kits the brand of mounts that you want (there is heapes), then drill them in and do a through hull wiring. Try and standardise on one brand of mount for rod holders, ECT.
You can mount the transducer in the front of the hull with some marine goop and then run the cable up through the hull. As for the battery, I recommend getting a lunch box and a bit of cut up noodle to hold that battery in the box. Drill 2 holes in the box and put a cable tie around the mast in the hull and then run the power cable through the through hull kit as well
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I had the same issue on Stockton. Started throwing 70g jigs, problem solved on most days
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1 hour ago, Powerofwill said:
Thank you for the advice, how can I find the debris?
You can see the lumps on your sounder, but I usually just have a look over the side. Can usually see the bottom or most of the way down on a good day. Head out about 2km then a bit up north, then you will find an area full of concrete blocks.
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When long reef gets rough and has strong currents a lot of the fish go into the debris where there are quite a few caves/ crevices. Just drop a bait right on top of them and they come out pretty quickly
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Can someone please confirm whether this is the correct weed for luderik. Thanks
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On a kayak, your silhouette is a lot lower, shadow is usually a lot smaller and you can travel around a lot quieter. As said before, stealth is key, especially in clearer water.
Fish are very routine, if anything is to out of the ordinary, they will be spooked. An example of this is the carp in the dam. Caught many carp over the years out of the dam, but over time they stopped taking my baits if I stood in my usual spot. When I crouched down, the baits got smashed.
Furthermore kayaks has almost an all access pass to access different waterways, meaning they can fish a lot closer to structure and different areas.
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250m is absolutely perfect. It's enough to stop 90% of things. I use about 300m of 15lbs and have never had any issues stopping things. The fish are usually a lot closer in than expected, so you don't always need to cast so far out. Reasonable size Jew fish will give you a run for your money, but if you okay them well, shouldn't be an issue. The only thing that will pose an issue would be rays and sharks. Some of those can be unstoppable, lost over 800m of braid to a shark.
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4 hours ago, GoldenHourFishing said:
The carp in the parra dont seem to take lures that much but in the nepean I have had them chase down cranks and hit plastics. Funny how different locations can make fish behave differently. Maybe they vary in strains and temperament.
In the dam there's about 3 that hit lures while the rest don't 😂.
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What brand braid do you recommend? Been tossing up between 20 and 30lbs, but agreed, leaning towards 25lbs. Looking to try some different brands.
Talking about being spoiled, a few weeks ago I was spoiled by a monster off Stockton on a tiagra 80.