The Bay On 14 Aug

[Keflapod]

Hey guys,

Here is the photo he sent me of the bream.

I also know of another guy who burleys with pillies and fishes them in his trail.

I have seen him catch umpteen trevally, quite a few bream, tailor and salmon.

I have seen him get dusted several times over the winter, but he fishes 6lb mono all the way.

I have fished side by side with him (two separate boats) and we often co-ordinate trips.

No lies guys, but there is only so much info I can give before I begin betraying friendships.

All I can do is inform you that there are fish there, but like I have done, we must all experiment a bit, before we begin to learn winter secrets.....

Tony

Sambos, Trevs, Kings and tailors all seem surface fish to me. Must be the way you have your rig.

Hey Fishing fanatic,

Here's a tip when burleying.

if you're cubing your burley, it will sink faster so try to guesstimate where on the seabed it will hit given the depth.

Throw some baits at that part of the seabed with a sinker big enough to keep it there. this is your bream rig.

The rest of the burley may be mashed and it will hit the seabed a lot further out the back so throw a sinkerless rig out the back (say 15m away) and let it waft around. This will get the pelagics and the odd bream.

If the trevors are around in big numbers, they will eat all burley and every line will get them. But if they are scarce, other fish will have a chance to have a go....

Winter is a MUST for burley because even if the fish are in the vicinity, they need a much bigger incentive to move to find food. Hit that dinner gong and they'll come running if they are within earshot...

Fish light - real light as the water is so much cleaner in winter...

[eddiebeast]

Sambos, Trevs, Kings and tailors all seem surface fish to me. Must be the way you have your rig.

I think you might be right.... We were using small sinkers and fishing slightly off the bottom. But then the place we were at had a lot of snags at the bottom. Our anchor got stuck and took us about 10 minutes to pull it up.... There was a whole lot of rope attached to it as well as fishing line.... We tried to pull up more of the rope but the tension was too tight and the water was getting too choppy(rope burn), so we cut the ropes under the anchor..... I think that spot was an anchor collection point.... thats probably why no one else was parked there.

[james1990]

there are no tricks, hidden tips or spots... fish structure with burley and you will get fish.

i fished on saturday around the oil wharf and got a good bag of bream and trevs before the wind kicked up without really trying.

James

[eddiebeast]

Hey Fishing fanatic,

Here's a tip when burleying.

if you're cubing your burley, it will sink faster so try to guesstimate where on the seabed it will hit given the depth.

Throw some baits at that part of the seabed with a sinker big enough to keep it there. this is your bream rig.

The rest of the burley may be mashed and it will hit the seabed a lot further out the back so throw a sinkerless rig out the back (say 15m away) and let it waft around. This will get the pelagics and the odd bream.

If the trevors are around in big numbers, they will eat all burley and every line will get them. But if they are scarce, other fish will have a chance to have a go....

Winter is a MUST for burley because even if the fish are in the vicinity, they need a much bigger incentive to move to find food. Hit that dinner gong and they'll come running if they are within earshot...

Fish light - real light as the water is so much cleaner in winter...

Thanks for the tip tony.

I'll give that a try next time out. When I burley I tend to have bread in water and the blood and guts of fish we have already caught mixed in.... I'll do the cubed pilchard next time out.

One thing we do is have a short line to the anchor.... let out a lot of burley and then after a bout half an hour we let out about 10m of anchor rope to get closer to where the burley has ended up in the current.

Ed

BTW... very nice bream there.

Edited August 18, 2010 by Fishing Fanatic

[jim bream]

nice bream Tony they good in size but you said 14 bream is that's correct and at 13 degrees. now what i no is at 13 degrees the fish metabolism would of dropped considerably and that feeding would be the last thing on the fish mind it would be looking for warmer water which would the shallows were the sun would warm the water up or the hot water outlet were most winter fisherman would go correct me if im wrong im trying to learn a bit more about winter fishing im told and understand that bream are seasonal fish.

[Keflapod]

there are no tricks, hidden tips or spots... fish structure with burley and you will get fish.

i fished on saturday around the oil wharf and got a good bag of bream and trevs before the wind kicked up without really trying.

James

Hey James,

Seems you know a thing or two about winter breaming.

It's funny you said there are no tricks or spots, yet you mentioned the trick, the tip and the spot.... The oil wharf is a big structure and let me tell you, not all of it has fish. There are some areas that hold fish and some that are barren. You found fish because you tried to find them - you fished the structure, you burlied and you got the fish around. Only problem is you can't get within 100m else ports authority will move you on...

How many fish did you get? Any photos?

I can't wait until I finish my renovations - I'm nearly out of fish and I haven't bought any in years....

nice bream Tony they good in size but you said 14 bream is that's correct and at 13 degrees. now what i no is at 13 degrees the fish metabolism would of dropped considerably and that feeding would be the last thing on the fish mind it would be looking for warmer water which would the shallows were the sun would warm the water up or the hot water outlet were most winter fisherman would go correct me if im wrong im trying to learn a bit more about winter fishing im told and understand that bream are seasonal fish.

Yiasoo Jimmy,

I agree with you regarding metabolism of fish, yet there are sometimes examples where the fish break the rules. Perhaps the burley in the water overrides the shutdown metabolism while it's in the water. Prawns are a high calorie food for fish as well so perhaps they will always respond to larger peeled prawns...

In the river where the water reaches 10.5 degrees, I have caught some fish on the top of the tide. They shouldn't have been feeding but there you go - prawns again.

The hot water outlet is a good spot, but if you get more than two boats there, may as well go home as the fish will spook easily in the clear shallow water. You can't mix it with trollers, lure tossers and anchored bait fishos...

Bream are not seasonal, but they certainly vacate all the summer spots and seem to either be around the headlands and a little inside thereof, or they are up the river. It all gets very interesting when we get heavy rains in the winter and whatever fish are up the river get flushed into the bay, then congregate around the deeper cleaner water. Give them a nice morning rising tide with clean warmer ocean water and watch the rods bend.

I have been catching bream ALL winter - never come home with less than 12 - best catch is a bag limit with several legal throwbacks - mind you, that day was during the week about a month ago....

Edited August 19, 2010 by Hodgey

[james1990]

Hey James,

Seems you know a thing or two about winter breaming.

It's funny you said there are no tricks or spots, yet you mentioned the trick, the tip and the spot.... The oil wharf is a big structure and let me tell you, not all of it has fish. There are some areas that hold fish and some that are barren. You found fish because you tried to find them - you fished the structure, you burlied and you got the fish around. Only problem is you can't get within 100m else ports authority will move you on...

How many fish did you get? Any photos?

I can't wait until I finish my renovations - I'm nearly out of fish and I haven't bought any in years....

i suppose you are right, fishing structure and using burley just seems to be common knowledge, or so I thought.

kept 6 bream to 42cm, released heaps because I dont ususally keep them, and a dozen trevally between the two of us, most around 35cm but a few good ones in it. no pictures, cameras are bad voodoo - i am taking the kayak out this weekend for a lure sesh, i will take the camera and see what happens.

i was there purely targetting the trevs as I had heard that the big +50cm fish were at the oil wharf the weekend before, the barometer did let us down, and mostly smaller fish were about.

i rarely target bream, but they were suprisingly hard to get past on the weekend, heaps of small reddies too.

James

[Keflapod]

i suppose you are right, fishing structure and using burley just seems to be common knowledge, or so I thought.

kept 6 bream to 42cm, released heaps because I dont ususally keep them, and a dozen trevally between the two of us, most around 35cm but a few good ones in it. no pictures, cameras are bad voodoo - i am taking the kayak out this weekend for a lure sesh, i will take the camera and see what happens.

i was there purely targetting the trevs as I had heard that the big +50cm fish were at the oil wharf the weekend before, the barometer did let us down, and mostly smaller fish were about.

i rarely target bream, but they were suprisingly hard to get past on the weekend, heaps of small reddies too.

James

Hi James,

I should have said "It seems you know a thing or two about winter trevallying". I like your style when you say you couldn't get past the bream to get to the trevally. I'm the opposite...

It's definately not common knowledge that winter means fish structure with light gear and burley....

I also didn't realise you have 1900 posts to your credit - you have obviously been a raider a lot longer than I have.....

Did you mess with any sambos or kingies last weekend?

Tony

[james1990]

Hi James,

I should have said "It seems you know a thing or two about winter trevallying". I like your style when you say you couldn't get past the bream to get to the trevally. I'm the opposite...

It's definately not common knowledge that winter means fish structure with light gear and burley....

I also didn't realise you have 1900 posts to your credit - you have obviously been a raider a lot longer than I have.....

Did you mess with any sambos or kingies last weekend?

Tony

appearances can be deceiving

couldnt spot any surface activity so did not bother with kings or sambos. i'd downrig a live squid around a few known spots but the cold water put me off trying, plus like i said - i was there for the trevs

James

[jim bream]

Hey James,

Seems you know a thing or two about winter breaming.

It's funny you said there are no tricks or spots, yet you mentioned the trick, the tip and the spot.... The oil wharf is a big structure and let me tell you, not all of it has fish. There are some areas that hold fish and some that are barren. You found fish because you tried to find them - you fished the structure, you burlied and you got the fish around. Only problem is you can't get within 100m else ports authority will move you on...

How many fish did you get? Any photos?

I can't wait until I finish my renovations - I'm nearly out of fish and I haven't bought any in years....

Yiasoo Jimmy,

I agree with you regarding metabolism of fish, yet there are sometimes examples where the fish break the rules. Perhaps the burley in the water overrides the shutdown metabolism while it's in the water. Prawns are a high calorie food for fish as well so perhaps they will always respond to larger peeled prawns...

In the river where the water reaches 10.5 degrees, I have caught some fish on the top of the tide. They shouldn't have been feeding but there you go - prawns again.

The hot water outlet is a good spot, but if you get more than two boats there, may as well go home as the fish will spook easily in the clear shallow water. You can't mix it with trollers, lure tossers and anchored bait fishos...

Bream are not seasonal, but they certainly vacate all the summer spots and seem to either be around the headlands and a little inside thereof, or they are up the river. It all gets very interesting when we get heavy rains in the winter and whatever fish are up the river get flushed into the bay, then congregate around the deeper cleaner water. Give them a nice morning rising tide with clean warmer ocean water and watch the rods bend.

I have been catching bream ALL winter - never come home with less than 12 - best catch is a bag limit with several legal throwbacks - mind you, that day was during the week about a month ago....

Hi Tony in regards to water temperature you said in one of you posts last year if you remember which one i do were you posted the bream a back baby you needed to read it because its conflicting with what you are now saying or have you change your views on it if the bream are not seasonal like you say then i should at some point get 30 bream is that a fair number or maybe 20 a fair average for me at summer you would needed a drag net in these months to get 20 or 30 bream because they are not there in those sort of numbers . Are you working for some tackle shop trying to promote winter fishing because their stores are quiet at this time year lol .cheers Jim bream

[Keflapod]

Hi Tony in regards to water temperature you said in one of you posts last year if you remember which one i do were you posted the bream a back baby you needed to read it because its conflicting with what you are now saying or have you change your views on it if the bream are not seasonal like you say then i should at some point get 30 bream is that a fair number or maybe 20 a fair average for me at summer you would needed a drag net in these months to get 20 or 30 bream because they are not there in those sort of numbers . Are you working for some tackle shop trying to promote winter fishing because their stores are quiet at this time year lol .cheers Jim bream

Yiasoo Jimmy me old mate me old pal,

I had a big laugh when you mentioned I may work for a tackle shop.

No way Jose. Like you, I'm learning about fishing all the time.

This winter we are in is only the second one where I have caught fish over the winter.

My initial posts indicated metabolism would be down and the fish won't feed. Now I'm thinking that this may be true but there may be overriding factors. Perhaps burley in the water changes that, perhaps it's the water quality on the rising tide in the morning that overrides that. There's some information I'm holding back that is key in this scenario which will clear this up a bit but I can't say it in a public post. If everyone gets in on it, then my spot and it's secret will be known by all and I won't be able to wet a line in peace. The fish are definately not there in the same big consistent numbers but if you get a day in winter (during the week) that's quiet of noise, a rising tide that's got nice warm clean water, you burley the spot and fish light with an assortment of baits, the result will be worthwhile...I have done it and I have seen two people pull fish after fish along with me on more than one occasion...no need to drag nets around.....

I asked one of these guys what he was catching - he lied to me when I could see what he was doing...it doesn't matter - we both got a fair few fish that day before the 20knot Westerly blew us both off the water.....

Tony

[funnierthanu]

Jim and Tony , get a room you pair ,lol

[wannabefisho]

I've only fished the bay by boat 3 times now and we only seem to get sambos, trevs, kings, and tailor. Haven't landed a flathead or a bream yet. Must be fishing the wrong spots or baits.

Any advise?

Ed

I wouldnt be complaining abut a feed of Sambo's, Kings, Trevs or Talor... esp this time of year...

[Keflapod]

Jim and Tony , get a room you pair ,lol

Only you are funnierthanu.

Does that mean that you are funnier than yourself ?

...oh hang on, do you mean funny as in haha or funny as in you're thinking about me and Jimmy in a room ?

...I'd like to think it's the former...