mattwf Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Hey guys Wondering if anyone has any experience using aluminium brazing rods? Same technique as soldering copper water pipes. Apparently the joint ends up stronger than the actual aluminium itself. I am interested in either fabricating a new custom t.top or modifying existing on my c.console. I understand that tig welding may be stronger/more reliable and that seriously stainless could give me a quote but i am looking at this as purely diy to keep costs down and increase the possibility of doing more work to my boat myself. cheers, matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Hey guys Wondering if anyone has any experience using aluminium brazing rods? Same technique as soldering copper water pipes. Apparently the joint ends up stronger than the actual aluminium itself. I am interested in either fabricating a new custom t.top or modifying existing on my c.console. I understand that tig welding may be stronger/more reliable and that seriously stainless could give me a quote but i am looking at this as purely diy to keep costs down and increase the possibility of doing more work to my boat myself. cheers, matt. hi mate i just use a dc mig i have one for sale if your interested perfect for alloy and mild steel even throw in some aluminium wire and teflon liner for alloy in awesome condition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanfly Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Hey guys Wondering if anyone has any experience using aluminium brazing rods? Same technique as soldering copper water pipes. Apparently the joint ends up stronger than the actual aluminium itself. I am interested in either fabricating a new custom t.top or modifying existing on my c.console. I understand that tig welding may be stronger/more reliable and that seriously stainless could give me a quote but i am looking at this as purely diy to keep costs down and increase the possibility of doing more work to my boat myself. cheers, matt. Hi there google Durafix aluminium welding rods All you need is a butane burner You can watch it being done on youtube And Ive seen it at the boat shows looks really good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattwf Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 fishon - pm sent. sanfly - durafix is exactly what i found on the web. i found stuff called hs2000 or something that supposed to be even better. but im hoping someone may have personal experience with using them and had success as i dont just want to fork out for it and find out its just crap. i reckon it would be fine for patching holes and cracks but unsure if it would be strong enough for constructing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 fishon - pm sent. sanfly - durafix is exactly what i found on the web. i found stuff called hs2000 or something that supposed to be even better. but im hoping someone may have personal experience with using them and had success as i dont just want to fork out for it and find out its just crap. i reckon it would be fine for patching holes and cracks but unsure if it would be strong enough for constructing something. your right matt no good for anything no penetration at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike82 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 fishon - pm sent. sanfly - durafix is exactly what i found on the web. i found stuff called hs2000 or something that supposed to be even better. but im hoping someone may have personal experience with using them and had success as i dont just want to fork out for it and find out its just crap. i reckon it would be fine for patching holes and cracks but unsure if it would be strong enough for constructing something. Yea look at the stuff the guy at boat shows and camping shows is working with. It is all very thin material like cans and thin sheet. My dad and his mate bought some of these (not sure if its the same brand) about 5 yeas ago at a caravan show and it is still a running joke! Not good for construction. Great for patching a hole in an aluminium beer can if the mood strikes! Just my two cents. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Yea look at the stuff the guy at boat shows and camping shows is working with. It is all very thin material like cans and thin sheet. My dad and his mate bought some of these (not sure if its the same brand) about 5 yeas ago at a caravan show and it is still a running joke! Not good for construction. Great for patching a hole in an aluminium beer can if the mood strikes! Just my two cents. Mike nah your right mike cant beleive its been goin on for so long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 no defintely a hoax... i bought some in the hope that i could weld some pieces of al together, but had no chance with pieces that were 1mm thick... seems to only work on cans, waste of money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pure spirit Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 glad it's not just me i bought some as well thinking it would be handy to have around, tried a few joins etc and it was Sh#%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattwf Posted May 9, 2011 Author Share Posted May 9, 2011 thanks for the replies guys. ill def not be throwing any of my hard earned away on it then. matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOE^MOE Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 iv got some of those rods but with a flux on it and it worked a treat im they cost me $10 a rod im happy 2 give you 1 to try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 iv got some of those rods but with a flux on it and it worked a treat im they cost me $10 a rod im happy 2 give you 1 to try yeah maybe with flux but thats just the flux stickin to do a proper weld the metal HAS to be molten and filled with a filler as alloy melts at 1000+ couldnt do it properly with a blowtorch maybe with an oxy but alloy distorts very easily and end result wouldnt be to flash a migs the go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOE^MOE Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 thats true im a welder by trade but for something not 2 critical those rods will do the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 thats true im a welder by trade but for something not 2 critical those rods will do the job yeah im a welder to i understand what your sayin squidin but in sayin that you may as well just use bog / silicone / or super glue witch will probably stick better than the flux not havin a go at ya mate i just got a real hate for those rods they just prey on people that are just after an easy fix thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fester Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Nothing wrong with using oxy to aluminium weld! how do you all think they did welding before migs etc? oxy set and fencing wire for steel, aluminium filler rods for aluminium! it just takes a keen eye and skill. you cant see aluminium melt until its to late! thats why you use heat crayons etc that change colour at the melting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Nothing wrong with using oxy to aluminium weld! how do you all think they did welding before migs etc? oxy set and fencing wire for steel, aluminium filler rods for aluminium! it just takes a keen eye and skill. you cant see aluminium melt until its to late! thats why you use heat crayons etc that change colour at the melting point. yeah true thats evolution hey we also used to start fire with sticks but thats a whole other thread Edited May 12, 2011 by fishon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) yeah true thats evolution hey they we also used to start fire with sticks but thats a whole other thread Edited May 12, 2011 by fishon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fester Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 yeah true thats evolution hey we also used to start fire with sticks but thats a whole other thread Hope you didnt think I was having a shot at you, I was just pointing out that before migs etc that welding was all done with flame and filler rod, just some people forget about old school ways, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartf Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Yeh I bought 10 rods years ago from the c/camping show, I got a hole in the commodores radiator in the cell. So I just heated the hole then added fill that was it. Worked a treat. I liked it to fix a cracked timing cover on my old beast. I wouldnt use it on anything structural though. STUBALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Hope you didnt think I was having a shot at you, I was just pointing out that before migs etc that welding was all done with flame and filler rod, just some people forget about old school ways, definately not fester i was actually hoping you didnt think i was havin a shot at you cheers mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zdenk01 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Hi guys, I got some of these brazing rods delivered yesterday, non of the brands mentioned above. Im no welder nor claim to be, but from the video's ive seen looks pretty easy. (just like soldering) So far so good only practicing with 1.4mm angle, it seems to hold well. 1st attempt I blew a hole in 1.4mm angle & distorted it. (I was rushing) 2nd attempt tried seam welding 2 angle sentions together (easy) 3rd attempt fill a hole (no problems) Im actually going to try & construct a few things then bash the hell out of it just for fun. We'll see how it goes with 3mm I think I could make heaps of crap for the boat. I'll put some photos up & maybe a video (video will be just like bloopers) cheers zed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Hi guys, I got some of these brazing rods delivered yesterday, non of the brands mentioned above. Im no welder nor claim to be, but from the video's ive seen looks pretty easy. (just like soldering) So far so good only practicing with 1.4mm angle, it seems to hold well. 1st attempt I blew a hole in 1.4mm angle & distorted it. (I was rushing) 2nd attempt tried seam welding 2 angle sentions together (easy) 3rd attempt fill a hole (no problems) Im actually going to try & construct a few things then bash the hell out of it just for fun. We'll see how it goes with 3mm I think I could make heaps of crap for the boat. I'll put some photos up & maybe a video (video will be just like bloopers) cheers zed definately if your are melting both metals to become one thats a weld but they must melt what are you using an oxy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattwf Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 hey alphabet pls let us know how it goes. video would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave nagy Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) I got some rods at last years boat show. They sat there for ages untill i brought a 80cm panel tv. I had some alloy angle and with a lot of heat and 2 bottles of butane ( oxy small tip would of works way faster) its hanging on the wall in a nice shiny alloy bracket. I used the old tube tv bracket that is on the wallwith the alloy part on the tv. We move the bed around in the room so i can rotate the TV about 120deg`s. Edited May 30, 2011 by Davoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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