Would weed on paternoster rig work for luderick?

[quochuy]

Hi

In was wondering if you made a paternoster rig with heavy sinker and a dropper say 2 meters up then it should also work using weed as bait? The bait will be kept of the bottom.

Any one tried this before?

Huy

[luderick59]

yes but with the smallest sinker so it washes around and light line 6lb

peter

[cheap charlie]

Hi

In was wondering if you made a paternoster rig with heavy sinker and a dropper say 2 meters up then it should also work using weed as bait? The bait will be kept of the bottom.

Any one tried this before?

Huy

Why?

Your not a fan of convention methods of targeting blackfish?

[quochuy]

Wanna try different methods. If it works and i can forget about bring floats then even better.

[cheap charlie]

Using a float when black fishing offers many advantages:

- Adjustable to susspend at varying depths which is handy when the fish are there but you need to very depth to find where there feeding.

- Allows your bait to drift thus targeting fish in a larger area.

- Acts as a strike indicator, without which your baited vrs hookup rate will go to crap.

- Stops you losing all your gear on the bottom.

Liken it to riding a bike with no pedals. Sure it can be done but how sucessfull are you going to be without them.

[quochuy]

I just realized your last point today. Some places have so much snags that bottom fishing would be a nightmare.

[Stapo]

They do it on the wall at The Entrance. I myself prefer the float method but some of the old boys can't see the float very well so they fish the bottom.

Sometimes they catch more, sometimes less. But when you start losing your sight it does give them an alternative.

[Flickn Mad]

Fishing for blackies with my grandad in the shoalhaven taught me that fishing a foot too high in the water column or having weight too close to your weed bait ment far fewer takes.

I am not sure if they are more aggressive of the rocks or not.

One way to find out though.

And keep up thinking outside the box.

[krause]

Nothing to say it wont work, worth a shot i guess My only question is that isnt movement (natural, with current/waves/etc) key to hooking blackfish. Being so fussy and all, i would think that stationary bait would be less appealing to them...

Cheers

[Paikea]

There is something magic about watching your float drifting down a run and seeing it draw slowly under, waiting for a count of 6 or more and then "You are on!

In my book it is hard to beat the combination of the visual and physical experience of float fishing.

Used to fish for Taylor using bobby corks and ganged garfish of Doughboy rock at Kurnell. The sight of a big Taylor smashing the bobby down with a mighty splash still brings goose bumps to my skin.

Even float fishing for Garfish has a lot of appeal for me.

Cheers

Paikea

[krause]

There is something magic about watching your float drifting down a run and seeing it draw slowly under, waiting for a count of 6 or more and then "You are on!

In my book it is hard to beat the combination of the visual and physical experience of float fishing.

Used to fish for Taylor using bobby corks and ganged garfish of Doughboy rock at Kurnell. The sight of a big Taylor smashing the bobby down with a mighty splash still brings goose bumps to my skin.

Even float fishing for Garfish has a lot of appeal for me.

Cheers

Paikea

Agreed. I think that youve got it spot on. Where abouts at kurnel?

Cheers

[quochuy]

Krause, for movement you can add a longer dropper line from the main.

I agree for the float experience. A float is an extra accessory to buy and to loose. So sometimes I can be in a period where I've lost all my floats and want an alternative solution

[Jewhunter]

Krause, for movement you can add a longer dropper line from the main.

I agree for the float experience. A float is an extra accessory to buy and to loose. So sometimes I can be in a period where I've lost all my floats and want an alternative solution

You will rarely lose a float of you are fishing the right depth & using the right rig.

Don't forget that Blackfish don't usually feed over sand. They eat weed, weed grows

on rocks & rocks equal snags.

Cheers,

Grant.

[cheap charlie]

Krause, for movement you can add a longer dropper line from the main.

I agree for the float experience. A float is an extra accessory to buy and to loose. So sometimes I can be in a period where I've lost all my floats and want an alternative solution

When you targeting blackies, how do you go about it?

Do you chose a location based on the conditions? Eg chosing a ledge where the wind is not blowing your line / float back onto the ledge.

Are you holding the road in your hand and managing the line keeping in contact with the float taking up slack and letting line out when required to suit the drift?

Are you aware of the location your fishing and setting your floats to suit the depth of the area and retrieving your float when it leaves your predetmined drift?

Are you using a rod of suitable length?

I have spent considrable time fishing ocean ledges and very rearly do I ever loose a float.

If your loosing floats and you really want to target blackies then you need to alter your approach.

Prehaps consider aproaching one of the sites Blackfish mentors in regards to organising a trip.

[quochuy]

To most of your questions the answer would be no. I'm a beginner and only starting to get interested in blackfish. Currently the only additional piece of gear I can buy is a pair of rock fishing boots, for the rest I'd like to use what I currently have, adding a couple of float is not an issue though. Gear wise, the closest I have to suit this are a 11ft rod with a size 8000 surf spinning reel and a 13ft Alvey combo.

I don't usually choose the location I just go to what ever locations are closest to me: from curl curl to narrabeen. Sometimes to Maroubra or down to Cronulla.

[krause]

I got into black fishing over winter. Buy small little floats. You can pick them up from bcf for a dollar a piece and they take up no room at all. I found that random rock selves don't produce that many fish. Best to find a reliable self near you. Talk to locals and what not. Use light leader, little hooks, and change the depth often till you find the fish. Hopefully you crack the code and have some fun

[cheap charlie]

To most of your questions the answer would be no. I'm a beginner and only starting to get interested in blackfish. Currently the only additional piece of gear I can buy is a pair of rock fishing boots, for the rest I'd like to use what I currently have, adding a couple of float is not an issue though. Gear wise, the closest I have to suit this are a 11ft rod with a size 8000 surf spinning reel and a 13ft Alvey combo.

I don't usually choose the location I just go to what ever locations are closest to me: from curl curl to narrabeen. Sometimes to Maroubra or down to Cronulla.

Thats ok we all have to start some where.

You dont have to go out and by a dedicated combo to suit. A longer rod fishing from a ocean ledge certainly allows you to keep your line and float away from potential snags but is not 100% nessiary. At times I've duced down to ledges using a 6ft6 2-4kg grapite stick that also gets used for soft plastics etc.

This is only really a possibility when the swell is right down and you can effectively stand right on the end of the ledge.

Stick with the gear that is available to you but alter your approach.

You really need to fish with the rod in your hand, keep in touch with your float and control your line.

By doing the above and picking your location so as the swell and wind are not working against you you will rearly loose a float.

[quochuy]

Thanks guys for all the advice. Will try to keep that in mind for a next rock session.

Really excited to idea of experiencing a luderick hookup.