Sea Ranger Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) Hi All, I'm looking to put together a setup for Groper off the rocks at Sydney. I have some Alvey reels that I want to use or at least one of them lol 650BE1 Rockhopper 700C5 650A5 I'm leaning to the Rockhopper or 700C5 Hunting around the internet,, I'm seeing anything from 20 to 40kg line reccomended. On Alex Belissimo's site he suggests GroperSU9177 with 7inch ALVEY reel spooled with 25-37kg LineorFSU6120 with 7inch ALVEY reel spooled with 25-37kg LineorGH14 with 7inch ALVEY reel spooled with 25-37kg Line When I look at the specs for the FSU6120 from Ozflex they are rated at 10 to 15kg line. I can't find the others Is the 25kg to 37kg line and gropers way to much for this rod? I currently have at my disposal (but not shy from buying a new rod lol) Wilson Champion Trophy 13.6 foot (6-10kg line I think Champion trophy is not on current website) Trophy 12 foot 6-8kg line MT7144 12 foot 10kg line Excel Composites Custom rod BSU 365 7W 12 foot 8-15kg Butterworth Coastal Wave Breaker 4.45 meters 6-12kg line Whopper Stopper (no idea lol) looks about 12 foot stamped 7144 What rod (Still available for Alvey) would be suitable for my task? BIG GROPER off the rocks is my New Years resolution!! Cheers Bear Edited December 23, 2017 by Noo2OzFish add stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickmarlin62 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 if you can get a fsu6120 blank and make it or have it made trim70mm from tip and you will have no probs running 24kg line..i made quite a few for jew when I had my shop...rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ranger Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, rickmarlin62 said: if you can get a fsu6120 blank and make it or have it made trim70mm from tip and you will have no probs running 24kg line..i made quite a few for jew when I had my shop...rick Sorry I was editing my post when you were answering Rick. I was looking at a OZFLEX FAST SURF FSU6120 2PCE Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerotao Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 29 minutes ago, rickmarlin62 said: if you can get a fsu6120 blank and make it or have it made trim70mm from tip and you will have no probs running 24kg line..i made quite a few for jew when I had my shop...rick Why trim the tip and not the butt may i ask? im still new to rod building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savit Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 2 hours ago, xerotao said: Why trim the tip and not the butt may i ask? im still new to rod building The new/shorter tip will be stiffer and will allow to handle better heavier line and heavier casting weights. If the donor rod is 2 piece then I might trim from both tip and butt otherwise the new/uneven-length rod pieces will look ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerotao Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, savit said: The new/shorter tip will be stiffer and will allow to handle better heavier line and heavier casting weights. If the donor rod is 2 piece then I might trim from both tip and butt otherwise the new/uneven-length rod pieces will look ugly. Then that would change the blanks cast and line weights i guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickmarlin62 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 trimming the tip will stiffen the action of the rod...trimming the butt only shortens it..i wouldn't use a 2 pce with heavier than rated line or you risk a breakage at join..rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ranger Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 Rick So the fsu6120 that you setup were all 1 piece? I was hoping to get a 2 piece. Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickmarlin62 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I hardly ever built two piece rods..if you pik up a shop bought two piece 95% wont have the spine lined up..which causes the blank to roll...one piece rods in heavier sizes are inherently stronger..and if built with the guides lined up with the spine will work better and not stress your guides or try to roll in your hand..rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ranger Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 Well this is starting to sound an awful lot like a custom setup. My Wilson Trophy's are 1 piece but worried with ratings to 10kg line only. Would there be a blank that is available today that would suit Groper if I have to go the custom route or is there an off the shelf solution I'm not seeing? Thanks and Merry Christmas Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickmarlin62 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 maybe try to find an mt8144..possibly a Wilson...rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ranger Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 9 hours ago, rickmarlin62 said: maybe try to find an mt8144..possibly a Wilson...rick I found this one https://tuckeystackle.com.au/alvey/1137-ozflex-fast-surf-fsu6120-2pce-alvey.html But it is on the other side of the country. Would prefer to find one locally. For that matter I'm not sure if I'm really doing any better than my BSU 365 7W 12 foot 8-15kg (3 piece) I looked at Dinga but nothing there. I called my LFS but they suggested a FSU4120 So I'll stick to my own research lol Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ranger Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 I was at my not so local favorite shop today. They had some 1 piece mt8144 setup for Alvey but the owner suggested a fsu 5120g as a better option. I'm not sure about that and concerned about the g which stands for graphite. Tapers were different obviously and the fsu was lighter but it was for spinning not Alvey though the reel seat distance to the first runner was identical. The shop would chop 6inches off the handle if I wanted. I baulked and walked out lol. I think the mt8144 is better and 100 bucks cheaper too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickmarlin62 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 the fsu g series blanks are thinner walled than the slower taper mts and don't handle being knocked or bumped in a rock environment as well as the mts...rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ranger Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 Thanks for all the advice Rick. I really appreciate it. I found a 1 piece Wilson MT8144 for under a 100 bucks .. I'm getting it sent via courier lol lets see how that works out. Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickmarlin62 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 its a little heavier than a fsu but it should serve you well...sounds like a bargain..rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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