Purpose of hook eye offsets?

[Fab1]

 What's the purpose of different hook eye offsets?Turned out/in/in line?

I know that say turned out apparently is better for snelling (I've never snelled a hook in my life) even though I know how, but turned in?

 Some knots suit better?Better line of pull?

Like to hear people's thoughs on everything hooks please.

2knots i use is uni,improved clinch with mono.I don't use or have braid.

Cheers.

Stay safe and dry everyone.

[noelm]

It's all to do with the angle the line pulls, you know how you can get a claw hammer and "dangle" it off your finger by the claw? The way the hook is bent, determines if the eye is bent in to the bend, or back out the other way. Two examples are the Mustad 92554 Suicide and the 540 French hook, both have the eyes bent opposite, but the actual gape is bent way different to compensate. Hooks offset at the bend supposedly have a better hookup rate to a straight hook, but I have my doubts

Edited March 2, 2022 by noelm

[noelm]

Of course that doesn't even mention "true turn" or circles.

[wazatherfisherman]

Hi Fab hook-eye offsets are for different reasons. Considering that hook manufacturers make hooks 'for purpose' some of the considered variables that I'm aware of are things like: size of food that fish naturally encounter/therefore likely bait being used- eg some patterns in hooks used to tie Trout flies have different offsets depending on if they are 'surface' (dry flies) where food (fly) is taken off the surface or 'wet' flies that are considered 'sinking' food- these are probably the most radical examples.

Next you have 'turned out' eyes, which are common and the best examples are suicide hooks (often mistakenly called 'octopus patten' (Octopus were actually a brand)- these obviously are good for 'snooding' but have great penetration power through short shanks and personally I reckon they are the best penetrating hooks for general bait fishing as their leverage point enables maximum penetration with less energy from the fisher's side. They can also be fished 'straight' by employing a snood type knot.

Turned-in eyes allow for more 'straight-line' bait presentation- which can be important with more delicate bait presentations- like using green weed for Luderick. Other common purposes for turned-in eyes include keeping hooks in a proper alignment for the purpose of ganging- if you don't have turned-in eyes (or turn them in yourself) then the hooks fail to achieve the correct alignment and any bait like whole fish (such as Pilchards or Garfish) just won't sit correctly (or at all) on a flight of hooks.

Straight-eyes such as Limerick, Kirby etc are commonly used for trailing baits/lures as they maintain a better profile when using a line in motion (no offsets in hook bend either or twisting occurs).

Then there are specialised 'eye' patterns such as 'small ball', 'tapered' and flatted- flatted in particular are the most indicative of these as although straight-eyed they help achieve symmetry with ultra-delicate bait presentation such as using single-leaf cabbage bait (again for Luderick) -these have always been my preferred hooks.

More 'specialised' hooks that have been designed for species overseas (such as Carp in the UK) are made for using particular baits and how they present in the water.

I hope this makes some sense!

[wazatherfisherman]

25 minutes ago, noelm said:

Of course that doesn't even mention "true turn" or circles.

Also the old 'Pescaro' range with 'S' shaped points

[Fab1]

Excellent answers fellas. I Suspected what you guys mentioned. I'm practising my knots and making up rigs for when it fines up if it ever does.

[noelm]

There is dozens of knots, but I reckon the plain old Uni Knot is as good as any, easy to tie, can be used to join line together, or even rope. Many years ago I did some scientific testing (at work) of line and knots, and decent quality line, with a Uni Knot just about won every test when it came to joins, hooks and consistent tests. Like all knots, some care when pulling tight (and some spit or other lubricant) will increase a knots strength considerably.

[Fab1]

Just now, noelm said:

There is dozens of knots, but I reckon the plain old Uni Knot is as good as any, easy to tie, can be used to join line together, or even rope. Many years ago I did some scientific testing (at work) of line and knots, and decent quality line, with a Uni Knot just about won every test when it came to joins, hooks and consistent tests. Like all knots, some care when pulling tight (and some spit or other lubricant) will increase a knots strength considerably.

I like uni,locked blood knot.Using these 2 knots I've never had one let go on the bread and butter when I'm fortunate enough to catch them.I tie excellent knots and know many both in rope, line,fencing wire,etc.

  Wish my fishing knowledge was as good or reading my sounder as thats what let's me down.