I cant thank you enough for your advice Shark and others. Its not often i get to the pc , the boat is at another location but after reading your last post i``am heading off this minute to check the drill hole and i`am so hoping it is runnung concentric. although there are exeptions i wont trust opportunistic professionals at this moment until i`am certain what the problem is. thanks again mate , I`ll keep you posted and dont worry your advice is not gonna make me do anything hasty its actually saving me a lot of time , money and giving me some very practical insight in determining the problem.