coastspinna Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 hey guys new member here..... jus a quick one for the bream boys... when you guys are using rod length leaders of fluorocarbon line do you notice and deterioration in your leader knots after long casting sessions?? i'm wondering because when flatty fishing with plastics i only use 40 cm leader so my leader knot never enters the guides, same when spinning the rocks with metals... i've nailed a cpl of bream on plastics but am wondering how essential it is to have 2 meters of leader... do i just have to accept the fact of checking and re-tieing leaders all day... ty guys ps i'm using berkely dropshot rod 1-3 kg, 4 lb fireline, 6 pnd nitlon flatty fanaticcccc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Make sure you lubricate the knot when you tie it as the friction will cause it to weaken Also not puting enough turns in a uni knot in light line will cause it to break I use 6 in the fireline and eight in the leader when using 6lb leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastspinna Posted July 9, 2007 Author Share Posted July 9, 2007 Welcome to the Site If the water is clear a clear leader is good to fool the wary Bream. If the water is slighty discoloured go with the short leader. I use a 5 turn Surgeons Knot and I have had no problems at all. The only knot I have this particular problem with is an Albright ,which I dont use any more Cheers Stewy ty swordfisherman that was quick.... so the allbrights out and the surgeons knots in...where is that geoff wilson book.....ty heaps for the info and the welcome.. flatty fanaticccccc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregL Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Make sure you lubricate the knot when you tie it as the friction will cause it to weaken Also not puting enough turns in a uni knot in light line will cause it to break I use 6 in the fireline and eight in the leader when using 6lb leader Thats a big knot Iceman. I use the uni knot to but only use 5 turns in the leader and then 7 in the braid to try even the knots up in size. But my line is 4lb and leader is 4 as well. I'm with swordie, albright is now out! to many times it's slipped. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Oooops got it wrong way around 6 turns in the leader and 8 in the fire line It is a bit bulky Greg thats why Im now trying the 5 turn surgeons knot I would use the slim beauty but its hard to tie in light leaders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDiko Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Welcome to the Site If the water is clear a clear leader is good to fool the wary Bream. If the water is slighty discoloured go with the short leader. I use a 5 turn Surgeons Knot and I have had no problems at all. The only knot I have this particular problem with is an Albright ,which I dont use any more Cheers Stewy I disagree, I love the Albright knot. It is an ultra slim knot that doesn't cause friction through the guides during the cast, therefore a longer cast. And for me has proved unbreakable, I use a 13+ turn knot. My two leaders on my two combo's have been on for approx. 6 sessions of plastic and metal work and still look 100% and won't break. IFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 after being shown by CFD the albright thats my knot now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 The problem with the Albright is if you trim the tag ends very close which I prefer eventually after making a lot of casts and hitting the guides it unravels and there goes your fish or lure with little or no resistance. Cheers Stewy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastspinna Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 alrighty i'm gunna put more turns in my albright and leave the tag a bit longer in the braid thanx for the info....as for spinnin off the rocks i'll stick with my short leader cause i can't stand that knot rattlin thru the guides..... thx for the pointers flathead fanaticccc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micksfishn Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 my 2cents use 2-4pound crystal right through(thats wat i do) dont worrie about a leader bypasses your leader knot only leaving you with a jighead knot less chanses of a knot giving away mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastspinna Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 my 2cents use 2-4pound crystal right through(thats wat i do) dont worrie about a leader bypasses your leader knot only leaving you with a jighead knot less chanses of a knot giving away mick hey mick does that crystal test the same as regular fireline??? ie like 1.5 x higher?? i was fishin the other day on ten pound fireline for drummer with 20 lb leader and i was amazed how hard i can pull... still couldn't stop the monster but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebrewer Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Interesting,I'm running the same braid on the same rod with either 6 or 8lb fc leader 1 metre long.I use a "twisted leader knot" out of Calcutt and Simpson's "Book of Lures" which is easy and has not failed so far,and I don't replace it until I'm down to 45 cm which may be a few sessions-you wrap the braid around the leader about 20 times so that you have enough to form an overhand knot but pass the combined wrapped section through the knot 4 times,then lubricate and pull snug,and clip off each tag NOT too close. Centauri to lure unless I want a loop,then a modified Perfection from the same book with 3 or 4 wraps back up the leader instead of 1 before going back through the loop. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micksfishn Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 yeah i reccon its breaking strain would be a bit heavier but i play it safe setting drag at 2thirds of recomended breaking strain im using 2pound now so setting drag around 1.4 to 1.6 pound mark hasnt gone pingggggggggg yet but i havent hooked a bigen yet either mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landbased Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 even tho Im new to the whole sp thing, I have been using the surgeons knot (4 turns) on 6lb crystal fireline and 8lb trilene leader of 2metres. the knot has never given way as of yet but I havent caught that much on the plastics either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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