Perfect Fishing Conditions 18/08/07 Here Are The Stats !

[jewgaffer]

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QUOTE(Mondo @ Aug 21 2007, 05:48 PM)

Onya Hodgey!

Great results and I can't tell you how jealous it makes me to hear someone refer to their "traditional Saturday Soft Plastic sojourn". If only I were similarly blessed.

Anyhow I wonder if your lure change was what did the trick on Saturday, or whether it was actually a change in the barometer? I only ask because just before reading this report I read Ceph's report on fishing the harbour in which he noted that the fish came on part-way through Saturday arvo when the southerly began its approach.

Could this be more evidence of JewGaffer's brilliant analysis of improved fishing during weather changes? I have no idea really - but I choose to believe that YES it is!!!!

Mondo, I am convinced that the change in the weather did the trick. Jewgaffer is onto something spectacular.

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Cheers

Ceph

"where there are squid, there will be Ceph"

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Gentlemen, Mondo, Ceph and my fellow Fishraider members, I am flattered by your kind comments on this topic though perhaps a little dissappointed that I cannot get my good and bad day fishing conditions message thru to all members of Fishraider as well as I wish to.

Before I list the weather statistics for the perfect fishing conditions which got it all together for Ceph and a few keen others who are just as keen to be out there this winter trying to better their own fishing results in the magic conditions of last Saturday, 18/08/07 and getting the timing so right in such a narrow time window, on that brilliant day for fish feeding frenzy though it was rather short lived, just as we've seen from good weather changes so many times this winter.

However it was still there for the taking and that's what Ceph and his boys and those Fishraider members like the damiraz boys and RonR up there in Brisbane Waters, Bobfish, Thereddraggon and so many others too many to mention, are all about.

Take a good look at RonR for example, a sand flat Patongaand Brisbane Waters specialist who has been relegated thru a general lack of fish to now now sounding out Boulton reef and places like the Pinnacles and off sure round Barrenjoey, just trying to get a few funny looking red fish in the keeper, when a good season in those spots would see Ron's vessel towed all the way to New Caledonia before having a chance to wind up the slack.

Natural attrition by mother nature simply had to get it's act together sooner or later for better fishing among all the shocking sessions since the big rain and the constant Antarctic influence of ongoing cold currents and Southerly influences which have been persistently resulting in cold air, cold surface temperature, cold sea and of course colder river water temperatures and the ever so monotonously steady or slowly falling barometric pressures and cold front upon cold front, going a little way forward in short sessions in partial recovery and then going all the way backwards again.

However the only way you could pick it was by looking at the barometer for a fast change in coditions and it's an absolute fact, ready or not, you simply be out there on the water as it happens and not a day later.

Let me say these magic words so readers will get it all loud and clear.

Key word: HIBERNATION.

RIVERS AND ESTUARIES - Total WINTER Hibernation (Bass) in maximum surface air temperature. below 16%)

Hibernation (Bream) - Generally prolific at all estuary depths in normal winters.

Mini Hibernation - just about every normal looking species of fish you can think of !

Hardly any need for Hibernation -Trevally, Yellowtail, Leather Jackets, Blackfish, Drummer, Squid, Occies.

Creatures That Don't Hibernate & Thrive Best In Atrocious Conditions - Scorpion Fish, Stone fish, Fortescue, Pufferfish, Catfish, Mouray Eel, Slimy Eel, Pike Eel, Hairtail, Sea Lice, Carp, Sea Snake and quite a few other similiar but yet to be indentified Museum freaks)

THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS FOR THE GREAT FISHING DAY SATURDAY 18/08/07

BAROMETER : STARTED RISING AS A MARKED CHANGE AND AT A VERY FAST RATE FROM FRIDAY EVENING 17/08/07 FROM A LOW 1013 MILLIBARS TO AN EXTREME HIGH SUMMERTIME READING OF 1031 MILLIBARS BY MIDDAY ON THAT MAGIC SATURDAY.

This was the highest recorded maximum BarometrIc Pressure reading for August for years and kept only slowly strengthening from midday Friday as a result of the eye of a fast moving high pressure system which postioned itself directly overhead of Sydney, with associated high pressure influences extending as far as the lower Mid North Coast.

TEMPERATURE : THE MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE WAS 19.6 THE SECOND WARMEST FOR AUGUST SO FAR MAKING THE TEMPERATURE FACTOR FOR A FISH FEEDING FRENZY CLOSE ENOUGH TO RIGHT ON MAGIC SATURDAY.

THE 19.6 ON THAT MAGIC DAY MADE IT COZY ON SYDNEY HARBOUR MIDDLING NICELY IN BETWEEN A WARMER 21.7 ON FRIDAY 17/08/07 AND AN UNSATISACTORY LOW PRESSURE READING OF THURSDAY 16/08/07 AND A SUDDEN COLD TEMPERATURE DAY OF A LOUSY AND VERY COLD 14.0 DUE TO YET ANOTHER COLD FRONT COMING INTO EFFECT THE FOLLOWIN DAY, SUNDAY 19/08/07.

Please tell me you good fellow Fishraider readers out there CAN YOU see clearly to this point of writing, the actual difference to the conditions and how conditions will always affect your fishing?

Please tell me yes or no.

WIND: THE WIND GUST WAS A LOVELY 14.8 FOR SYDNEY HARBOUR AND WAS WEST (now this is important) WARM WEST ! AND WARM MID WEST & THIS WAS THE LOWEST MAXIMUM GUST IN ANY DIRECTION FOR AUGUST SO FAR.

THE WIND GUST PRODUCED A WIND RUN OF A SHALLOW DISTANCE OF LESS THAN 44 KILOMETRES CENTERING MAINLY OVER THE CITY OF SYDNEY AND OF COURSE SYDNEY HARBOUR BASKED IN THE EYE OF THOSE SUDDEN WALM BREEZES.

WIND DIRECTION : THE MARKED CHANGE ON THAT MAGIC SATURDAY, STARTED OUT AS NORTH WEST OVERNIGHT UNTIL TURNING WEST EARLY MORNING WITH A SHARP TURN BACK TO NORTH WEST FROM 9PM UNTIL ANOTHER SOUTHERLY MOVED IN ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON STARTING UP ONLY AS A COOLER GUST YET ENOUGH TO GIVE SYDNEY HARBOUR JEW THE MESSAGE TO START TO "STOCK UP" OVERNITE.

The quick southerly cool snap was worsened by a big barometric low system which led to that noticably cold 14 degrees temperature on Sunday and therefore another fish mini hibernation which any Fishraider wh ventured out on Sunday will certainly relate to the poor fishing day after the feeding frensy day on Saturday, the very day before.

So in simple words a warm day on Thursday 16/08/07 with poor barometric readings suddeny lept to 19.7 degrees on the Saturday aand the Barometric Pressure shot up to an amazing 1031 millibars

HUMIDITY : 96% PRODUCED THE HIGHEST HUMIDITY DAY FOR AUGUST AND RESULTED IN A RAINFALL FOR SYDNEY OF 11.5MM, OVER HALF AN INCH !

For those of you conversed with my old topic The effects of Barometric Pressure and Brilliant Fishing Results will be right on the wave length when I say that it was just like fishing in the rain on Sydney Harbour in the moist air of 96% humidity as well as the most important factor, the Barometric rising rapidly to a brilliantly high 1031 millibars !

Now I am not a weather scientist, I'm just a specialist jew fisherman. I had Saturday marked as a special day because of two most critical factors -

The fast moving Barometric Pressure that I obtained from my faithful Trintec Barometer and the sudden balmy inclination of the temperature which started to rise on Friday in the late afternnoon.

I will say in closing that owning a Barometer is the real answer to successful fishing results.

In the 19th century the British Admiralty had to decide by Barometric Pressure fluctuations only whether the conditions would be safe enough to take the battleships ships around Portugal or into the unforgiving Atlantic Ocean and rage another attack wave against the Spanish Armada or not.

Hope this helps and if there are any questions please don't hesitate to ask coz I really want to have you understand how and when you can beat fish to their own feeding frenzy and from that point on continue to get successful fishing results.

I have told your how and when and I may tell you where in another post.

Cheers

Jewgaffer

Edited August 22, 2007 by jewgaffer

[chocofallon]

G'day Byron,

Once again a great read and funny enough fishing on Saturday afternoon on the water we all saw the weather front was on it's way and were discussing your articles and barometric pressures and have to say without a doubt we had a better day than many days last summer. So mate you have my vote I've been reading the synoptic charts of late just as much as the articles on this site. So if your fishing with this article you've well and truely hooked me

Cheers,

Joe

[marcel haber]

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QUOTE(Mondo @ Aug 21 2007, 05:48 PM)

Onya Hodgey!

Great results and I can't tell you how jealous it makes me to hear someone refer to their "traditional Saturday Soft Plastic sojourn". If only I were similarly blessed.

Anyhow I wonder if your lure change was what did the trick on Saturday, or whether it was actually a change in the barometer? I only ask because just before reading this report I read Ceph's report on fishing the harbour in which he noted that the fish came on part-way through Saturday arvo when the southerly began its approach.

Could this be more evidence of JewGaffer's brilliant analysis of improved fishing during weather changes? I have no idea really - but I choose to believe that YES it is!!!!

Mondo, I am convinced that the change in the weather did the trick. Jewgaffer is onto something spectacular.

--------------------

Cheers

Ceph

"where there are squid, there will be Ceph"

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Gentlemen, Mondo, Ceph and my fellow Fishraider members, I am flattered by your kind comments on this topic though perhaps a little dissappointed that I cannot get my good and bad day fishing conditions message thru to all members of Fishraider as well as I wish to.

Before I list the weather statistics for the perfect fishing conditions which got it all together for Ceph and a few keen others who are just as keen to be out there this winter trying to better their own fishing results in the magic conditions of last Saturday, 18/08/07 and getting the timing so right in such a narrow time window, on that brilliant day for fish feeding frenzy though this rather short lived as we've seen from good weather changes so many times this weather.

However it was still there for the taking and that's what Ceph and his boys and those Fishraider members like the damiraz boys and RonR up there in Brisbane Waters, Bobfish, Thereddraggon and so many others too many to mention, are all about.

Take a good look at RonR for example now sounding out Boulton reef and places like the Pinnacles just trying to get a few funny looking red fish in the keeper, when a good season in those spots would see Ron's vessel towed all the way to New Caledonia before having a chance to wind up the slack.

Natural attrition by mother nature simply had to get it's act together sooner or later for better fishing among all the shocking sessions since the rain and the constant antarctic influence of ongoing cold currents and Southerly influences which have been persistently resulting in cold air , cold surface temperature, cold sea and of course colder river water temperatures and the ever so monotonously steady or slowly falling barometric pressures and cold front upon cold front, going a little way forward in short sessions in partial recovery and then going all the way backwards again.

However the only way you could pick it was by looking at the barometer for a fast change in coditions and it's an absolute fact, ready or not, you simply be out there on the water as it happens and not a day later.

Let me say these magic words so readers will get it all loud and clear.

Key word: HIBERNATION.

RIVERS AND ESTUARIES - Total WINTER Hibernation (Bass) in maximum surface air temperature. below 16%)

Hibernation (Bream) - Generally prolific in all estuary depths in normal winters.

Mini Hibernation - just about every normal looking species of fish you can think of) .

Hardly any need for Hibernation -Trevally, Yellowtail, Leather Jackets, Blackfish, Drummer, Squid, Occies)

Creatures That Don't Hibernate & Thrive Best In Atrocious Conditions - Scorpion Fish, Stone fish, Fortescue, Pufferfish, Catfish, Mouray Eel, Slimy Eel, Pike Eel, Hairtail, Sea Lice, Carp, Sea Snake and quite a few other similiar yet to be indentified Museum freaks)

THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS FOR THE GREAT FISHING DAY SATURDAY 18/08/07

BAROMETER : STARTED RISING AS A MARKED CHANGE AND AT A VERY FAST RATE FROM FRIDAY EVENING 17/08/07 FROM A LOW 1013 MILLIBARS TO AN EXTREME HIGH SUMMERTIME READING OF 1031 MILLIBARS BY MIDDAY ON THAT MAGIC SATURDAY.

This was the highest recorded maximum BarometrIc Pressure reading for August for years and kept strengthening from Friday mid morning as a result of the eye of a fast moving high pressure system which postioned itself directly overhead to Sydney with associated high pressure influences extending as far as the lower Mid North Coast.

TEMPERATURE : THE MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE WAS 19.6 THE SECOND WARMEST FOR AUGUST SO FAR MAKING THE TEMPERATURE FACTOR FOR A FISH FEEDING FRENZY CLOSE ENOUGH TO RIGHT.

THE 19.6 ON THAT MAGIC DAY MADE IT COZY ON SYDNEY HARBOUR MIDDLING NICELY IN BETWEEN A WARMER 21.7 ON FRIDAY 17/08/07 AND AN UNSATISACTORY LOW PRESSURE READING OF THURSDAY 16/08/07 AND A SUDDEN COLD TEMPERATURE DAY OF A LOUSY AND VERY COLD 14.0 DUE TO YET ANOTHER COLD FRONT COMING INTO EFFECT ON SUNDAY 19/08/07.

Please tell me you good fellow Fishraider readers out there CAN YOU see clearly to this point of writing, the actual difference to the conditions and how conditions will always affect your fishing?

Please tell me yes or no.

WIND: THE WIND GUST WAS A LOVELY 14.8 FOR SYDNEY HARBOUR AND WAS WEST (now this is important) WARM WEST! AND WARM MID WEST & THIS WAS THE LOWEST MAXIMUM IN ANY DIRECTION FOR AUGUST SO FAR.

THE WIND GUST PRODUCED A WIND RUN OF A SHALLOW DISTANCE OF LESS THAN 44 KILOMETRES CENTERING MAINLY OVER THE CITY OF SYDNEY AND OF COURSE SYDNEY HARBOUR BASKED IN THE EYE OF THOSE SUDDEN WALM BREEZES.

WIND DIRECTION : THE MARKED CHANGE ON THAT MAGIC SATURDAY, STARTED OUT AS NORTH WEST OVERNIGHT UNTIL TURNING WEST EARLY MORNING WITH A SHARP TURN BACK TO NORTH WEST FROM 9PM UNTIL ANOTHER SOUTHERLY MOVED IN ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON STARTING UP ONLY AS A COOLER GUST YET ENOUGH TO GIVE SYDNEY HARBOUR JEW THE MESSAGE TO START TO "STOCK UP" OVERNITE.

The quick southerly cool snap was worsened by a big barometric low which led to that noticably cold 14 degrees temperature on Sunday and another fish mini hibermation.

So in simple words a warm day on Thursday 16/08/07 with poor barometric readings suddeny lept to 19.7 on the Saturday to a stunning 1031millibars

HUMIDITY : 96% PRODUCED THE HIGHEST HUMIDITY DAY FOR AUGUST AND RESULTED IN A RAINFALL FOR SYDNEY OF 11.5MM, OVER HALF AN INCH !

For those of you conversed with my old topic The effects of Barometric Pressure and Brilliant Fishing Results will be right on the wave length when I say that it was just like fishing in the rain on Sydney Harbour in the moist air of 96% humidity as well as the most important factor, the Barometric rising rapidly to a brilliantly high 1031 millibars !

Now I am not a weather scientist, I'm just a specialist jew fisherman. I had Saturday marked as a special day because of two most critical factors -

The fast moving Barometric Pressure that I obtained from my faithful Trintec Barometer and the sudden balmy inclination of the temperature which started to rise on Friday in the late afternnoon.

I will say in closing that owning a Barometer is the real answer and in the 19th century the British Admiralty had to decide by Barometric Ptressure fluctuations only whether the conditions would be safe enough to take the battleships ships around Portugal or into the unforgiving Atlantic Ocean and age another attack wave against the Spanish Armada or not.

Hope this helps and if there are any questions please don't hesitate to ask coz I really want to have you understand when you can beat the the fish to their own feeding frenzy and from that point on continue to get successful fishing results.

Cheers

Jewgaffer

Yet another great and informative read there JEWGAFFER.

yOU ARE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND IT IS GREAT TO GET YHIS INPUT TO SHARE AND PASS ON TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION.

REGARDS

TWIN1

MARCEL.

[southerly]

Hey Jew Gaffer,

How fine have you managed the predictions based on barometer? I have had at least 4 instances over many years of fish feeding ravoninosly in the middle of the day just before a major southerly change.

1. Fishing off the rocks at Queensclife a missive school of tailor moved in and smashed bait for 3 hours straight, then into the dark. The southerly that was caused by a double east coast low hit about 9pm, it was May 1974 and one of the biggest storms Sydney has ever seen (it trashed Manly Warfe among many other things).

2. Mid 70's massive school of Salmon invade Manly Warfe with witebait jumping up the beach to get away from them on dusk, storm hits 10pm and floods Manly Lagoon.

3. Early 1980's fishing out of Long Reef for jew, pulled up on the marks at 2pm and the jew hit every line dropped, put 7 in the boat before 60kn of Southerly hit, I made it back to long reef ramp, a number of boats beached at Warriwood and had to be pulled out from there, it was one of the harder southerlies I experieced on the water.

4. Late 1990's live baiting at North Curl Curl heading back around the pool after fishing the tailor were think in close. Got bitten off of ever lure on my flickstick managed half a dozen 'casting' a 4/0 Senator with dead yakkas at them. Southerly hit late at night and raged for 2 days.

So I am certain fish respond to barametic pressure, love to know how to preduict and time it. Thanks for the posts jew gafer.

Southerly

[gretsch]

Jewgaffer has descirbed the exact conditions we experienced on Saturday.

At about midday, half an hour into the runout tide, the wind changed direction in about 10 seconds. Those westerly tending norths were gone and a sou-easter came up with slightly stronger gusts. We were fishing in the lea where it was extremely calm; almost glassy.

The Barometer is a serious fishing tool. I know that from now on, I will be focusing on the Barometer before anything else to determine the best fishing times.

Thanks for enlightening me Jewgaffer. Myself and my gentlemanly crew thank you from the bottom of our bait tanks.

[neilm]

Hi Jewgaffer, would today/early tomorrow be a good day to fish as the pressue is forecast to drop from about 1030 at 22:00 tonight to 1020 at about 16:00 on Saturday, or is that not a big enough or fast enough change in pressure? What would you say is the drop or rise in hPa per day (or hour or half day) that we should look out for?

Being a bit of a weatherhead and mad keen fisho, I find this is all very interesting stuff and I appreciate the effort you have put in to convey this knowledge.

Cheers,

Neil

[Aloosh]

Good onya Jewgaffer,

You're a pool of knowledge and a genuinely top bloke for sharing the knowledge.

Well done mate..

Aloosh

[jewgaffer]

Hey Jew Gaffer,

How fine have you managed the predictions based on barometer? I have had at least 4 instances over many years of fish feeding ravoninosly in the middle of the day just before a major southerly change.

1. Fishing off the rocks at Queensclife a missive school of tailor moved in and smashed bait for 3 hours straight, then into the dark. The southerly that was caused by a double east coast low hit about 9pm, it was May 1974 and one of the biggest storms Sydney has ever seen (it trashed Manly Warfe among many other things).

2. Mid 70's massive school of Salmon invade Manly Warfe with witebait jumping up the beach to get away from them on dusk, storm hits 10pm and floods Manly Lagoon.

3. Early 1980's fishing out of Long Reef for jew, pulled up on the marks at 2pm and the jew hit every line dropped, put 7 in the boat before 60kn of Southerly hit, I made it back to long reef ramp, a number of boats beached at Warriwood and had to be pulled out from there, it was one of the harder southerlies I experieced on the water.

4. Late 1990's live baiting at North Curl Curl heading back around the pool after fishing the tailor were think in close. Got bitten off of ever lure on my flickstick managed half a dozen 'casting' a 4/0 Senator with dead yakkas at them. Southerly hit late at night and raged for 2 days.

So I am certain fish respond to barametic pressure, love to know how to preduict and time it. Thanks for the posts jew gafer.

Southerly

Yep Southerly your post sure puts one part of it, the actual experiences and the recollections in a nutshell, I tell ya.

So in the end, as your moustache turns white you, simply take it for gospel and you must get yourself out there, there and then & without failure coz the barometer gives you enough notice when the other factors line up even around average but better than average is boom time, with higher jumping whitebait "in the calm before the storm" and you'd know that word well, Southerly, and it works every time.

I enjoyed high beaming on this post Southerly, you understand, I tell ya.

cheers

jewgaffer

[jewgaffer]

Hi Jewgaffer, would today/early tomorrow be a good day to fish as the pressue is forecast to drop from about 1030 at 22:00 tonight to 1020 at about 16:00 on Saturday, or is that not a big enough or fast enough change in pressure? What would you say is the drop or rise in hPa per day (or hour or half day) that we should look out for?

Being a bit of a weatherhead and mad keen fisho, I find this is all very interesting stuff and I appreciate the effort you have put in to convey this knowledge.

Cheers,

Neil

I tell you what neiln the change to north with an easterly aspect could turn things round a little but the barometer hasn't told me much averaging out at steady and there's no way I can forecast at what point a fall in barometric pressure is going to stop once the needle starts to move so if you can be out there during the movement there should be some action.

Still the cold front remains further north. So the north easterlies, though forecast as moderate, should still be quite fresh due to the fall back of cool atmosphere from the recent big rains in that direction.

For fishing to be normal in those conditions we need the needle to stop around 1016 milibars but remember any higher, if and when it does fall is still a fluctuation.

However it would not be a perfect fluctuation due to the persistent cold front and the other unsatisfactory factor still present as I write - cold minimum daytime temperature.

Let me know how you go coz I wish to appoint few "human barometers" to get everone helping everyone else so as they can also keep their almanacs and diaries as to the best times to fish.

Those records would be a real winner for a life time of excellent fishing, I assure you and something which you can pass on to your kids.

That is the only way one can really ever learn to get into good "hit and run tactics" for best fishing results.

Volunteers for this excersize would be appreciated. Simply reply with your "human barometer" application spiel or pm the old jewgaffer here but like they always say no boofheads please.

You never know, rank promotions in "human barometers" could come thick and fast .

Cheers

jewgaffer

[neilm]

Mate I couldn't get out due to work etc., but I do keep a diary and following your missives on the subject of barometric pressue I will expand my diary to make notes on the rate of change of pressure and its effect on fishing (I already have a barometer that tracks back to 48 hours previously, plus I subscribe to another website which will give me both historical data and predictions) I'll report back in a few months with my observations.

Thanks again,

Cheers

Neil