Ken_Oath Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 My family have decided to sell our mustang 2800 so I guess I'm going to become a rock fisho. My plan is to target pelagics with lures landbased, so I'm ditching all the overhead combos I used for trolling and livebaiting on the boat and getting geared up for spinning from the stones. I already have a suitable light combo, a daiwa saltist mq 4000 spooled with pe2 on a 8ft td black slugger 6-12kg rod. But I also want a heavy combo to stand a chance against any hoodlum kingies or longtail tuna that might show up. I'm thinking about getting another saltist mq in the 14k size with 300m of pe6 for the reel but I have no idea what size rod is ideal for the rock ledges around Sydney and the NSW coast. The only pelagics I've landed from the rocks before are bonito and rat kingies so any knowledge or tackle recommendations for targeting big pelagics from the rocks would be greatly appreciated, cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Oath Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 31 minutes ago, motiondave said: Pardon me for suggesting, have you thought of buying a smaller boat? I will at some point but boat prices are high at the moment and I drive a little convertible so I can't tow a trailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fab1 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, motiondave said: Ok. Fair enough, Yes, depending on the boat you are after. Maybe because I have old pongrass surfmaster runabout that goes well in the harbour, and I tow it with an AU falcon. Neither are pretty but both very functional. I let others comment about rock fishing. Don't knock the Au mate.The online straight sixes in the Falcon range(especially wagons with the leaf spring rear and longer wheelbase) Have Towed probably more than any other vehicle different trailers the breadth and width of Australia.I had a wagon with the 5 speed t5 tranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berleyguts Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Don’t ditch all the overhead combos you used on your boat. Some of them may be suitable for live baiting the rocks. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Oath Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 41 minutes ago, Berleyguts said: Don’t ditch all the overhead combos you used on your boat. Some of them may be suitable for live baiting the rocks. 😉 Live baiting from the rocks would require more gear than I want to carry and I find Catching liveys and keeping them alive to be a chore. Mad respect to those guys that chase marlin on liveys at places like the tubes but it's not for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hornet Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 One thing you haven't told us is how much you're willing to spend on a rod. I guess its a personal choice, but I reckon PE6 is way too heavy to be casting lures from the rocks. Your casting distance is going to suffer terribly with a heavy line and I believe a quality PE3 would be better suited. I've been running PE3 Suffix 131 on a 3.0m rod rated to 15kg and there's no way I can pull hard enough to even come close to breaking it. Something from the Penn Prevail II might be suitable. There's a 9'6" model there that's rated to 15kg that looks good. The Prevails are extremely popular amongst those who spin from the rocks. As I said recently in another thread, casting heavy lures on a long rod is going to wear you out quickly and most guys opt for something between 8 and 10 foot. The nature of the ledges you plan to fish really dictate the ideal length you need and obviously the shorter you can get away with the better, as it puts the leverage in your favour. Also, don't totally disregard live baiting. You could always spin up a frigate on your light outfit, whack an 8/0 or 10/0 through its nose and send it back out on the heavy rod. Even a dead frigate under a balloon is a surefire way to hook up on a decent king. There's also plenty of spots where you can catch a yakka or pike early in the morning and put it straight out. You don't need a pool or aerated bucket to live bait really unless you plan to stay all day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingie chaser Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) Some existing threads with similar question that cold be of interest to you- There are plenty more in there if you do a search Edited January 9, 2022 by kingie chaser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Oath Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, Green Hornet said: One thing you haven't told us is how much you're willing to spend on a rod. I guess its a personal choice, but I reckon PE6 is way too heavy to be casting lures from the rocks. Your casting distance is going to suffer terribly with a heavy line and I believe a quality PE3 would be better suited. I've been running PE3 Suffix 131 on a 3.0m rod rated to 15kg and there's no way I can pull hard enough to even come close to breaking it. Something from the Penn Prevail II might be suitable. There's a 9'6" model there that's rated to 15kg that looks good. The Prevails are extremely popular amongst those who spin from the rocks. As I said recently in another thread, casting heavy lures on a long rod is going to wear you out quickly and most guys opt for something between 8 and 10 foot. The nature of the ledges you plan to fish really dictate the ideal length you need and obviously the shorter you can get away with the better, as it puts the leverage in your favour. Also, don't totally disregard live baiting. You could always spin up a frigate on your light outfit, whack an 8/0 or 10/0 through its nose and send it back out on the heavy rod. Even a dead frigate under a balloon is a surefire way to hook up on a decent king. There's also plenty of spots where you can catch a yakka or pike early in the morning and put it straight out. You don't need a pool or aerated bucket to live bait really unless you plan to stay all day. Yeah pe6 probably is overkill but I already have a 12kg lure casting combo spooled with pe2 and a spare spool I'm planning to fill with pe3 so I want something noticeably heavier. looking around at what rods are out there the 2021 Daiwa Demonblood 9ft 6 pe 3/5 with maybe a 10k size reel seems perfect as I can have 300m of pe5 and I can get another spool with 500m of pe3 if I ever want to try targeting tuna up the coast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hornet Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 41 minutes ago, Ken_Oath said: Yeah pe6 probably is overkill but I already have a 12kg lure casting combo spooled with pe2 and a spare spool I'm planning to fill with pe3 so I want something noticeably heavier. looking around at what rods are out there the 2021 Daiwa Demonblood 9ft 6 pe 3/5 with maybe a 10k size reel seems perfect as I can have 300m of pe5 and I can get another spool with 500m of pe3 if I ever want to try targeting tuna up the coast. Okay, the Demonblood gives me an idea of what you're prepared to spend. They're a great rod, but if you're looking for something a little stronger, google Oceans Legacy, Specialist Spin Shore rods and take a look there. Can't hurt to take a peek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Great advice above from @Green Hornet I use a Penn Prevaill 2 10ft 8-15kg rod with 15lb mono and metal lures. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Oath Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, Green Hornet said: Okay, the Demonblood gives me an idea of what you're prepared to spend. They're a great rod, but if you're looking for something a little stronger, google Oceans Legacy, Specialist Spin Shore rods and take a look there. Can't hurt to take a peek. Those oceans legacy specialist rods look really high quality and I bet they can catch some monster fish but the daiwa is Bright red and is called the Demon Blood and owning a bright red fishing rod called a Demon Blood sounds like something I really want to do 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just my two cents worth. I had a series i Demon Blood. I boucht the series 2 Prevail rod and I am glad I did. Better rod. ( My opinion ) Check them both out before you buy. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Hornet Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, Ken_Oath said: Those oceans legacy specialist rods look really high quality and I bet they can catch some monster fish but the daiwa is Bright red and is called the Demon Blood and owning a bright red fishing rod called a Demon Blood sounds like something I really want to do Haha, I hear you. The Daiwa guys come up with some cool names for their rods. I have a Daiwa Morethan rod I imported from Japan called the Demon Power Commander. Not the reason I bought it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrigateMack Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) I go rock fishing almost every week and I take a Sensor Surf 153XXS fitted with a Saragosa 8000 and 50lb line. My reasoning was to get the longest strongest rod I could get to be able to fling livies to New Zealand, and also to allow me to maneuver kings around the rocks. I can also just crane most fish out on the ledge with this monster of a thing. But if I was getting another rod, it would be a bit shorter to get back some leverage and a bit more flexible. Maybe something like the Sensor Surf 132S. But this is just my current point on learning curve and others on here are more experienced. I caught some good ones with this setup though, so I'm happy for now. Edited January 12, 2022 by FrigateMack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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