G Day Mark, thanks for the great day mate and Im glad I could kinda deliver. In answer to the question I can assure all they were defenitly not port Jaksons, or if they were they are like non ive ever encounetred. Shovelnose might be a geusse but again over hard bottom rather than sand? Also the tuna, and Im certain they were were too big for bonies. Great to meet some other raiders and espically great to meet mark. Any time mate and next time well nail em.