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Wow, flatboy... a complex subject and question.
Ultimately, the line you run on that reel (a good choice by the way) is really related to a lot of factors and there's no 'right or wrong' answer. I'd personally recommend from the sound of what you're planning to do, that you focus on trying to set the outfit up to be as versatile as possible.
Is there any reason you're thinking of running mono for the bait outfit? Are you open to thinking about maybe running 15lb braid on one spool and 30lb braid on the other?
There's no reason you can't fish 15lb braid on a reel like your Daiwa... it's a biggish reel but as long as the reel balances the rod and the rod suits the drag you'll be running on 15 you'll be fine. Just put a top shot of braid on top of a lot of mono or you'll need a truckload of braid to fill the spool. 15lb will be good for casting lures to Salmon, harbour kings, tailor etc and is definitely strong enough for the job. Yes, you'll get some better distance in casting and have more fun fishing that bit lighter.
With one spool of 15, a spool of 30 could help you cover more options. There's not a heap of difference between 15 and 20lb braid but the 30 will give you some serious authority if you hook up something a bit bigger. You'll get plenty on the spool.
Nothing wrong with Powerpro. A lot of good fishos prefer it. But you'll find advocates for a lot of different brands. Just stick with the known better brands and stay away from the cheapo stuff. If the price looks too good to be true... it is.
Cheers, Slinky
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The new mark to beat for Snook on lures is 54cm, taken by Johnno in Botany Bay. Report here!
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Nice work, Roberta. One day I really want to try the famous Forster Smoked Fish Pie (if I can prize any away from Keith)... sound's deeeeeelicious!
Cheers, Slinky
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My reel has been dunked with saltwater not too long ago. I cleaned it with water and put some oil in it as well. Would this be enough or should I strip the whole reel and get it cleaned and re lubricated.
Time to strip it down, clean and re-lube it, Steze. Sorry to say that if it happened a while ago, you're probably looking at needing new bearings too.
Cheers, Slinky
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Now I'm not normally one for a rant but enough is enough. Living up this way stinks
Here's a short example of the sort of stuff I have to put up with, that comes from today's effort on the water with Browndog1 and Jewhunter
First there's the back-breaking work
Spending 2 hours cleaning up some other bloke's boat and helping clean a huge pile of Amberjacks, Kingfish and Samsonfish just wouldn't happen if I still lived in Sydney. (Typically, one of the New South Welshmen in the crew just stood around drinking a beer offering advice )Secondly, there's all the pain you have to go through up this way hauling all those Seriolas up from 75m of water. I never had that problem until I moved up here... my back would make a useful ironing board!!
Even just deciding to go fishing up here is a pain in the posterior. What are we supposed to do... do we spend the day chasing Bass? flick plastics for Jacks? target Jewies off the seaway wall? Toss plastics for Snapper on the local reefs?
Even when the decision is made to head wide it doesn't get any easier. We drifted that secret reef of Browndog's time after time... each time thinking "should we drop a bait for Snapper or Pearlies?" Some other blokes in a boat were catching plenty but we just weren't sure what to do. Granted, it's pretty hard to make tough decisions like that while big angry fish are dragging you all over the back of a boat.
I'm sure our livebaits might have appreciated a different approach... I'm going to start calling the Yakkas up this way '3 minute fish'... that's about how long they last. And I thought fishing was supposed to be restful.
The banter on board the boat runs thick and fast up this way. Several times I was almost in tears from the hurtful jibes thrown my way and I'm sure I saw Jewhunter's eyes misting up on one occasion. Although that might have been from having his leg bone almost smashed through the back of his leg when BD's big Barcrusher came off the back of an unusually big wave.
I hate the way blokes around here insist on outfishing you... they invite a couple of raiders out on their boat and then proceed to smash you. All I can say is that I for one won't have much sympathy when BD realises the folly of spending almost every minute of the day either hooked up or dehooking a caught fish. At least he's worked out a way to have a break from the crazy workload... just sit back and have a smoko when you get to the part of the reef swarming with 'bycatch' kings instead of AJs!
Up this way we're forever having to deal with rod-grabbing, bait-stealing, line-tangling buggers on boats... oh wait, that was me
But I do have to put up with Jewhunter's constant attempts to smack fish off my line with his gaffing technique (you'd think the locals up this way would learn better). Browndog and I got even by making sure we gaffed all JH's fish in the guts.
People up this way have no respect for their betters either!! Jewhunter has been justifiably proud (and loud) about his Amberjack Fishraider record from a week or so ago. But that didn't stop Browndog from besting it on his first fish of the day. Thankfully, I personally felt bad for JH so I knocked off Browndog's record about an hour later. Funnily enough, another problem up here is that locals like Jewhunter don't seem to appreciate the trouble I go to doing things like that for them
Instead, they just sit in their corner sulking, pulling in PB Kings.
Browndog showed his disdain for that kind of wussy behaviour by consistently catching fish after fish in front of him (and me!!). He even rubbed salt into the wounds by nailing a hefty Samson to round out a Seriola Grand Slam for the day.
But even when things go well up this way, they go badly. Poor old Browndog not only had to take us out on his boat, land fish all day, clean most of the fish and coach the other cleaner (he does know how to fillet a fish, does BD!!)... he even had to put up with us drinking his beer back at Casa Del Browndog.
So here I sit... sore, sorry and smelly, while no doubt Jewhunter and Browndog are the same. The pain barely dulled by a couple of amber painkillers. Knowing that sooner or later we're all going to have to put up with all those hard decision and that hard work all over again.
I blame it all on the banana!!
Cheers, Slinky
PS... pics of our pain to follow shortly, courtesy of Jewhunter who no doubt, will cast a whole barrel of aspersions on everything I've said... typical for up this way. Yeah sure... I probably glossed over a few things but hey, I'm cranky, OK?
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Your right Slinky regards spinning reels the distance cast depends on matching the right reel to the right rod and line as the line peels of a stationery spool. Spinning reels I find are the easiest to service or repair.
Regards Jeff
Yeah... service simplicity has become one of the things I look for now when choosing reels. A lot of ultra modern tackle performs amazingly well but is really highly-strung and difficult to service... a lot like modern cars. I've been rebuilding my collection of classic ABUs partly for just that reason (and because it's impossible to find engineering quality like that in modern reels unless you're willing to pay mega-bucks).
Cheers, Slinky
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Absolutely right. Servicing reels is just a matter of confidence and experience combined with being methodical and careful.
One quick note on lubricants. Grease has its place in reels particularly because of its greater protective qualities. In spinning reels, the lubricants have nothing to do with casting distance (as the line comes off a 'fixed' spool). In baitcasters, overheads and game reels there are some components (certain bearings, some level-winds, etc) that really should be lubed with an appropriate light oil as Jeff said. There are other components though, that don't effect free-spool so different options may suit.
Cheers, Slinky
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Thanks for clarifying Grant, and certainly a wasted opportunity if they don't take it up.
Chris I would grease up the drag washers but I was lead to believe
a) That the Soron's have a "dry drag stack"
b.) That they require a special tool from Sweden to open the drag up
Being none too competent in matters mechanical I felt it was better to defer to the experts, and in this case at least I am certainly glad I did.
Cheers,
Adam.
Just saw this one.
- The drag stack in the Soron is carbon. It's supplied dry out of the factory but a coat of Cal's Drag Grease or Shimano TBM drag grease is fine and in my opinion, recommended. It will make a great drag even better and smoother but more importantly, help protect the drag washers from water intrusion. My STX 20 got this treatment on both spools before it hit the water.
- The drag can be opened up without any tools from Sweden. They do have a drag seal that needs removing, above the drag stack. I removed mine easily using circlip pliers. If you're worried about it, leave it to the PF guys. Here's some really rough quick pics I just took with my phone to hopefully show what I mean...
And a word on mentioning distributors etc in posts. The main intent in controlling any discussion of brands, companies and so-on is to both protect our sponsors and to ensure that we don't get people plugging product in our forums. I've seen forums where every other member seems to be from a tackle supplier and most of the posts are more advertising than information.
Fishraider also relies on the support of sponsors to keep the site running, so ultimately we also need to make sure as a site, we get value in return for any ongoing or special support of particular brands or businesses.
This means that any posts that might harm our sponsors will be modified or deleted. Fair restrained and reasonable discussion of other brands that provide all Fishraiders with useful information is ok but Admin and Moderators will always keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't start becoming a 'plug-fest'.
If in any doubt, just ask one of the team by PM and we'll let you know.
Cheers, Slinky
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The only way to know is to either open it up yourself, ask someone who has, or ask the manufacturer.
Sorry... no easy answer, Slinky
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What Woodch0p said is important. Every reel is different so maintenance and cleaning have to be thought about carefully.
This is a pic (thanks to Alan Tani) from a little Penn 975 lever drag. The black ring is the drag cover. The gap between the cover and the drive plate is what you get in this particular reel (because of how it's designed) when you engage the drag. When in freespool there's no gap.
These pics are a few of the problems inside the reel caused by water getting inside
This is a reel that should be washed with the drag in freespool position
Cheers, Slinky
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Yes, you're right... a dunking in fresh water still needs to be dealt with but you have a little more time than with salt water. ANY water inside a reel is a bad thing but rinsing off reels after a days fishing is essential too.
The trick is to avoid the water getting anywhere it shouldn't be, like inside the reel or drag system. That's why most experts will recommend NEVER washing a reel under high pressure water... like blasting them with a hose. I rinse mine either under a gentle mist or with a gentle trickle of water. And I make sure that my drags are done up tight first (but just be aware that there are a few lever-drag reels where the drag chamber is only water tight when the reel is in free-spool)
Not cleaning your reels after a day on the salt water is a great way to shorted their working life considerably.
Cheers, Slinky
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A lot of people end up dunking reels in salt water. With the number of times I've been asked I thought I'd pop up an 'emergency first aid for reels' post to cover this sort of event.
So what should you do if it happens to you?
1. DO NOT USE THE REEL! NOT AT ALL! NOT EVEN TO TEST IT OUT!!!
All you'll do if you start winding the reel, even if it feels fine, is emulsify the lubricants inside and spread salt and crud to every corner of the reel.
2. Rinse it in fresh water. THIS ISN'T A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS THAT THE SALT WATER WILL HAVE CREATED BUT IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE. Soaking it in a bucket of fresh water is fine.
3. IMMEDIATELY strip down and completely clean and re-lube the reel. If you can't do it, then find someone who can... fast! The bearings in your reel will start corroding very soon. It's quite possible that after only a couple of days out of the salt water, you'll still need new bearings.
If I dunked a good reel and didn't have the ability or tools to get it back together again (say I was on a long-range trip or something), I'd still strip it down, completely clean all the parts, carefully store them in a bag or container, then reassemble the reel when I got back (or send the parts to Global Tackle to do)
4. DON"T DO IT AGAIN!
Cheers, Slinky
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G'day Jet,
The problem isn't the lanolin... it's the trip into the water. If you dunk a reel, rinsing it and spraying with anything just won't sort out the problem. You'll have gummed up (and possibly rusted0 bearings and all the lubricants in your reel are likely to have emulsified.
It wouldn't have mattered what you sprayed. A trip into the briney should only ever be handled by completely stripping and servicing the reel... preferably inside 24 hours.
Global are the boys to go through but you're likely to need a new set of bearings at least.
Cheers, Slinky
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Shimano T-Curve 5-10kg is what I use on serious reef fish in the tropics.
I've bought a PE3 7'6" Daiwa Catalina Stick to go even heavier again 20+kg Cobia aren't uncommon off Magnetic Island where I fish).
I've got an 8' Daiwa Sol 8-17lb that I use for driftfishing with plastics... like Swordy says, they cast a mile and are top notch gear.
Cheers, Slinky
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G'day Jet,
When you say you used Lanolin... where in or on the reel and how did you apply it? Just spraying another lubricant probably won't be a good fix. Sounds like the reel needs to be stripped, cleaned and re-lubed.
Alan Tani has contributed a great overview of lubricants for reels:
http://www.fishraider.com.au/Invision/index.php?showtopic=46256
As for the cost of service, give Global Tackle a call. They do servicing too and might be able to sort you out.
Cheers, Slinky
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The new record for Cobia on lures is 97cm, taken by mulloway man in Weipa casting hard-bodies. Report here!
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G'day Roy,
Owning a few Shimanos with the maintenance port myself what I'd recommend is that you consider it a 'stop gap' option only. Mixing different lubricants is never a good idea... some are compatible but many aren't and there's little way of telling.
Inside the body cavity, what you'll mostly be lubricating through the port is the gears. Typically, these are greased. I've used the port a few times (usually with a product called TG's Rocket Fuel liquid grease). But a couple of drops of Shimano's own oil should be fine in the short term... particularly if the reels still have Shimano's original grease inside them. Give Shimano's service dept a call to check compatibility.
Longer term though, oiling through the maintenance port is no substitute for a periodic complete service.
Cheers, Slinky
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Sorry for the late reply. It's taken me a couple of days to get over the emotional trauma of getting your smug phone message
Some great fish JH and sounds like the trip out wide was worth the compressed vertebrae. Browndog's boat is a really sweet rig
Hopefully I might finally get to be able to go fishing soon and I'll show you both what a real AJ looks like. Have banana... willing to travel.
Cheers, Slinky
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You'd need a big pack of Goldfish flakes to feed that bad boy
Cheers, Slinky
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Great stuff, Stewy. Glad it all worked out... no more fuel on the driveway
Thanks to all involved for helping our our helpless Swordfisherman
Good to know that sweet little boat of yours is back to puuuuuurrrrrfect
Cheers, Slinky
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If he doesn't see this thread and reply, send a PM to Hodgey... he's a local so should be able to give you advice.
Cheers, Slinky
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Great post, Steve. Fantastic to see the little Roosters getting into the fish. Top work with the net too.
Best father's day present you could get... fishin with the little blokes
:thumbup: Cheers, Slinky
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+1 for Norman Speed Clips. Before Swordy suggested them to me I never used clips or swivels if I could help it but the Speed Clips are quick, convenient, strong and most importantly, don't seem to effect the action of lures... even very small lures. I use them whenever I know I'll be making lots of lure changes.
Cheers, Slinky
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Great looking session and some awesome fish. I'd have more complimentary things to say if you hadn't called me in the middle of the day while I was working in Sydney to tell me how much fun you were having
Those Bass look like footballs after the ones in the Tweed
Looks like you didn't have to travel to far to find them either... prettiest dam I've ever seen.Cheers, Slinky
Spending 2 hours cleaning up some other bloke's boat and helping clean a huge pile of Amberjacks, Kingfish and Samsonfish just wouldn't happen if I still lived in Sydney. (Typically, one of the New South Welshmen in the crew just stood around drinking a beer offering advice 
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Vale To My Fishing Master
in The Bar
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One or two of you may know, have met or have heard of the Orr family in Tasmania. If not then I feel very privileged.
Valdon Orr, one of the well known Tassie flyfishing family, passed away yesterday. He was my mate and the man who is most responsible for my love of fishing.
I had the good fortune to spend countless hours learning to adore the misty mornings and 'see-forever' days of the Highlands with a man who's wry humour and larrakin ways made every moment special. He taught me to flyfish, was with me when I caught my first trout on fly and shared nearly all of my most treasured memories on Tassie's lakes.
If no one else on Fishraider had the pleasure of knowing him, that's a shame. I'm a long way from where I grew up today, but I know a lot of people will miss him. me included.
Bye mate, Slinky