i have had 2, 80 stand ups for 12 years and there built on sabre blanks and i got them built as short as i could so they were still legal for any records or comps. There straight butts and usually knock over a 80kg marlin from 15mins to 40 mins max. They have caught dozens of bronzies as well.i havn,t broke one yet,,Ive been very happy with them.