oldsalty Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Hey all, Only just joined the sight but found it quite interesting to see so much info on places i have fished. Like alot of u i fish sydney harbour,So my first question is about downriggers, I run a standard scotty style rigger on one side of my boat but have heard u can weight a live bait down for trolling using a knife jig also, i gave it a go attaching the jig to a ball bearing swivel attached to a ring about 4m in front of a bait. It sunk and trolled the bait well but line twist was a problem so something wasnt right. I know these arent as acurate for depth control and as convenient to use as normal riggers but i think a nice shiny knife jig in front of your live bait would be a good attractant and a second bait out the back sounds good, Has anyone successfuly done it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netic Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Mate what you are doing is call a "poormans downrigger" Can be very effective, the way you rigged it up is correct but as you stated you cant get it at a set depth and if your going in and out of tight moorings you may need a very long set back which can be an issue. nothing can be as effective as a downrigger when trolling baits at dpeths but this technique can be used when a downrigger isnt available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsalty Posted September 18, 2007 Author Share Posted September 18, 2007 Mate what you are doing is call a "poormans downrigger" Can be very effective, the way you rigged it up is correct but as you stated you cant get it at a set depth and if your going in and out of tight moorings you may need a very long set back which can be an issue. nothing can be as effective as a downrigger when trolling baits at dpeths but this technique can be used when a downrigger isnt available Ah........... i see, might leave it out of the morings but would still like to try it around the heads etc. Any idiea how to get rid of the line twist cause this jig spun like a mf as soon as it hit the water,i thought it would just spin away on the ball bearing snap and not affect the line. i was thinking it might be the uneven shape of the jig as opposed to other jigs which are more equally shaped top to bottom......................I have no idea really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 (edited) Why not try putting a swivel onto the metal at both ends which might help a little Ps this is for on big metals not jigging knifes i have seen this type of trolling done before but they only troll at around 1-2 knots max Edited September 18, 2007 by johnno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flintstones Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 hi oldsalty, Watch Fishing Western Australia on Foxtel Sunday morning - they used a knife jig to downrig for samson fish The way they did it was to have a crane swivel at both ends on the jig - the jig only 1.5metres in front of the hooks - as the jig also acts as a attractant. Troll speeds were slow at between 1 & 2 knots with them stoping every minute to allow the bait to sink back down to the zone. good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsalty Posted September 18, 2007 Author Share Posted September 18, 2007 hi oldsalty, Watch Fishing Western Australia on Foxtel Sunday morning - they used a knife jig to downrig for samson fish The way they did it was to have a crane swivel at both ends on the jig - the jig only 1.5metres in front of the hooks - as the jig also acts as a attractant. Troll speeds were slow at between 1 & 2 knots with them stoping every minute to allow the bait to sink back down to the zone. good luck Ahah...................swivels on both ends...... ofcourse! I like the idea if a hook up occurs on the normal down rigger of leaving the kniferigger(new name)out to flutter a squid down to his mates for another hook up. Will try again on my next outing, Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skunga Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Ahah...................swivels on both ends...... ofcourse! I like the idea if a hook up occurs on the normal down rigger of leaving the kniferigger(new name)out to flutter a squid down to his mates for another hook up. Will try again on my next outing, Thanks guys oldsalty... Any chance of showing me a diagram or even better a pic of this setup? i'd be keen to try something like this.. Cheers, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsalty Posted September 18, 2007 Author Share Posted September 18, 2007 Mate, Im a bit of spastic on the pc at the moment to put up a diagram but i am learning. Not to hard to explain though , it works on the principle that if u troll a heavy enough weight at a slow enough speed it will troll underwater , the weight could be anything but a shiny knife jig is more appealling and streamlined, attached a little further behind is a live bait! i think about 300grams is a desired weight for the jig. ur familiar with d.r , im sure u already know this............... anyway, grab ur mainline, attach heavyduty snap swivel, pref ball bearing, attach to front of jig, attach another swivel to back of jig, then attach a couple metres or so of leader down to ur hook.Thats it, i havent tried it but you would think it would reduce the line twist. How do u get diagrams up anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Dan Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 oldsalty... Any chance of showing me a diagram or even better a pic of this setup? i'd be keen to try something like this.. Cheers, Steve. DITO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfish Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 maybe you could also take a look at your tackle shop for a paravane! no extre attractant but you can control depths! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewgaffer Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 maybe you could also take a look at your tackle shop for a paravane! no extre attractant but you can control depths! Ditto Luke and congratulations on being made a gold member. Good one to bring up paravanes mate. Luke I have four original Eddystone Tatlers and I use to just loaf around Broken bay in the mornings using Swagman deep diver murray cod lures so you could slow down and keep changing the depth of the paravane or just go middling or speed up the diver. works reasonably when the birds were fluttering and the kings were doing nothing with the rapalas. Regards Luke jewgaffer Would it be easier if we both go with Russ if the damariboyz aren't going mate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsalty Posted September 18, 2007 Author Share Posted September 18, 2007 Ditto Luke and congratulations on being made a gold member. Good one to bring up paravanes mate. Luke I have four original Eddystone Tatlers and I use to just loaf around Broken bay in the mornings using Swagman deep diver murray cod lures so you could slow down and keep changing the depth of the paravane or just go middling or speed up the diver. works reasonably when the birds were fluttering and the kings were doing nothing with the rapalas. Regards Luke jewgaffer Would it be easier if we both go with Russ if the damariboyz aren't going mate ? Whats a paravane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewgaffer Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Whats a paravane? Hi oldsalty a paravane looks like an aeroplane device with wings that is attacked to your line and off it goes a long leader with swagman deep diver lures attached to the paravanes by swivels so you can just motor around a bit with you mind of the job more or less till you dig out a fish. Thanks mate Cheers jewgaffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfish Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 this is a paravane! you can adjust the depth by changing the hole you attatch to and same goes for trolling left or right with the holes on the back! on second look it might pay to upgrade those snapswivels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsalty Posted September 18, 2007 Author Share Posted September 18, 2007 learn something new everyday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skunga Posted September 19, 2007 Share Posted September 19, 2007 Mate, Im a bit of spastic on the pc at the moment to put up a diagram but i am learning. Not to hard to explain though , it works on the principle that if u troll a heavy enough weight at a slow enough speed it will troll underwater , the weight could be anything but a shiny knife jig is more appealling and streamlined, attached a little further behind is a live bait! i think about 300grams is a desired weight for the jig. ur familiar with d.r , im sure u already know this............... anyway, grab ur mainline, attach heavyduty snap swivel, pref ball bearing, attach to front of jig, attach another swivel to back of jig, then attach a couple metres or so of leader down to ur hook.Thats it, i havent tried it but you would think it would reduce the line twist. How do u get diagrams up anyway? Okay, I see what you mean now.. I have a downrigger and thought you were using that & the knife jig + a live bait and was wondering how that would work.. I have been considering hanging a sluggo or spinner blade just above the lead bomb as a kind of teaser, then troll my liveys as per usual. I might be asking for trouble with tangles though.. As for diagrams, sorry i'm a web developer/graphic designer so it comes as second nature to me (dork) Thanks for the time Old Salty... Cheers, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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