Fishing_Maniac Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Hi guys, has anyone had any experience float fishing with live bait? I am planning to use live yakkas and want to have a trace of about 3-5 meters from the float. I am going to fish for kingfish off wharfs and rocks inside the harbour. The thing is, how am I going to cast a float which is 3-5 meters from the hook? Also, what type of float am I best of using? Cheers, James Edited June 17, 2015 by Fishing_Maniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I think you may be asking to get taken round the warf pilons like that. When the live bait ducks for cover. But You could use a float stop and attach your balloon to a sinker slider on your main line and run a shorter leader just for the abrasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimira Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Try a 2 m trace using a 10-14ft rod that's plenty and still easily cast able Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 use a free running float where the hole in the tube running through the float is very fine ie just bigger than your line and the what I use to act as a stop is a small piece of wool tied onto the main line( able to slide along for depth) so it is thick enough to act as a stop at the float but still run through your rod guides for casting. The rig is hook.....leader(1-2 m)......swivel....small ball sinker.....main line........float...........wool stopper........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinfisher 4.9 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 If the wind is favourable, try a partially inflated balloon attached with 4 or 6lb b/s line and the wind will carry the ballon and bait away from your structure and will break away when a fish takes your livie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossfire63 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) You' be better off with a balloon rather than a float. Put an open loop in the line and then tie the balloon around the open loop. When a fish hits the bait it pulls the loop through knot on the balloon and it drifts off Edited June 17, 2015 by Crossfire63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishing_Maniac Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Thanks for the input guys. But won't it be difficult to cast a decent distance with a balloon? I think you may be asking to get taken round the warf pilons like that. When the live bait ducks for cover.ButYou could use a float stop and attach your balloon to a sinker slider on your main line and run a shorter leader just for the abrasion. Sounds like an idea, what sort of float stop would you use considering that the sinker slider holes are so large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishing_Maniac Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 live bait rig.jpg use a free running float where the hole in the tube running through the float is very fine ie just bigger than your line and the what I use to act as a stop is a small piece of wool tied onto the main line( able to slide along for depth) so it is thick enough to act as a stop at the float but still run through your rod guides for casting. The rig is hook.....leader(1-2 m)......swivel....small ball sinker.....main line........float...........wool stopper........ Have you tried using a float stopper knot mate? http://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/bobber-stopper-knot/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Have you tried using a float stopper knot mate? http://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/bobber-stopper-knot/ link is dead try this Edited June 17, 2015 by jot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishing_Maniac Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 link is dead Is the photo working? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyNurse Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 That's my go to stopper knot, Fish Maniac, Just tie it at the depth you want the livey to swim. Then hang on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishing_Maniac Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 That's my go to stopper knot, Fish Maniac, Just tie it at the depth you want the livey to swim. Then hang on! Have you tied it onto braid mate? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaClH2OK9 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Sounds like an idea, what sort of float stop would you use considering that the sinker slider holes are so large.That's why I suggested a sinker slider. Much thinner diameter. And something to tie the balloon too. I use Rubber float stops. Purchase at any tackle store. Edited June 17, 2015 by NaClH2OK9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishing_Maniac Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 That's why I suggested a sinker slider. Much thinner diameter. And something to tie the balloon too. I use Rubber float stops. Purchase at any tackle store. I'll be heading off to buy some sinker sliders in the next few days. Only thing is, will the balloon breaks off once I'm hooked onto a fish? Is there anyway to make sure it does break off? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welster Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) If the hole in the float is too big for the stopper knot you just need to use a small bead above it with a smaller diameter hole. I use fishing maniacs knot with a bobby cork. It's probably the simplest land based. What length rod do you use? For the balloon I use cross fires method as well. You tie the knot in the balloon and just push a loop of line through the knot before you pull it tight. This won't help you cast out from rocks or a wharf. So from a boat I put my livey in the water beside the boat drop it down a few metres ( I have a small sinker above the livey usually). Than inflate the balloon and connect to the line and let the wind do the rest. If the wind is in your favour you can float it way off the boat. That way you can drop another weighted livey near the bottom under the boat. You can float a pillie out in your trail lightly or unweighted. You can keep plenty of distance between your rigs so there is no tangles. Edited June 17, 2015 by welst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krause Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hi guys, has anyone had any experience float fishing with live bait? I am planning to use live yakkas and want to have a trace of about 3-5 meters from the float. I am going to fish for kingfish off wharfs and rocks inside the harbour. The thing is, how am I going to cast a float which is 3-5 meters from the hook? Also, what type of float am I best of using? Cheers, James Hey champ, i haven't been fishing in about a month due to uni exams, but beforehand i was really getting into what youve described above. I had tried alot in the past with no sucess, but i found that keeping it simply worked the best. Use 8m or so of leader (i use braid, so 10m of 20lb mono just gives my line i little stretch) and place a float stopper on this mono. Then just add to the end a bead, float, bead and 7/0 J hook (or circle hook) This rig worked fine against everything up to just legal kings. If i was fishing bigger baits i added about 1.5m of 60lb leader to the end of the 20lb, and used a ballon float. Casting was almost imposible due to the weight, so i found the wind and let the wind take it out (might not ba an option on harbor wharf) Hopefully other raiders can add to this/tell you what i did wrong. And hopefully the kings are still around? I would've thought they'd be gone by now. I was surprised to catch them a month ago.... any ones thoughts on that? Cheers Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krause Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hey champ, i haven't been fishing in about a month due to uni exams, but beforehand i was really getting into what youve described above. I had tried alot in the past with no sucess, but i found that keeping it simply worked the best. Use 8m or so of leader (i use braid, so 10m of 20lb mono just gives my line i little stretch) and place a float stopper on this mono. Then just add to the end a bead, float, bead and 7/0 J hook (or circle hook) This rig worked fine against everything up to just legal kings. If i was fishing bigger baits i added about 1.5m of 60lb leader to the end of the 20lb, and used a ballon float. Casting was almost imposible due to the weight, so i found the wind and let the wind take it out (might not ba an option on harbor wharf) Hopefully other raiders can add to this/tell you what i did wrong. And hopefully the kings are still around? I would've thought they'd be gone by now. I was surprised to catch them a month ago.... any ones thoughts on that? Cheers Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Haha sorry guys, i cant use tapatalk. Didn't know there were previous posts... what they said^^Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishing_Maniac Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hey champ, i haven't been fishing in about a month due to uni exams, but beforehand i was really getting into what youve described above. I had tried alot in the past with no sucess, but i found that keeping it simply worked the best. Use 8m or so of leader (i use braid, so 10m of 20lb mono just gives my line i little stretch) and place a float stopper on this mono. Then just add to the end a bead, float, bead and 7/0 J hook (or circle hook) This rig worked fine against everything up to just legal kings. If i was fishing bigger baits i added about 1.5m of 60lb leader to the end of the 20lb, and used a ballon float. Casting was almost imposible due to the weight, so i found the wind and let the wind take it out (might not ba an option on harbor wharf) Hopefully other raiders can add to this/tell you what i did wrong. And hopefully the kings are still around? I would've thought they'd be gone by now. I was surprised to catch them a month ago.... any ones thoughts on that? Cheers Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Sounds good mate, do you know if you are able to use a baitrunner reel when using a balloon float? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisholb Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 We use weighted squid float for casting distance Typical rig we use 60lb/2m trace 30lb main 6/0 circle hook Float stopper/bead to adjust length of drop up to 5m Bait we use are yakkas squid pillys Goodluck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krause Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Sounds good mate, do you know if you are able to use a baitrunner reel when using a balloon float?I use my bait runner with the ballon rig. Also i sould add that i use a large swivel with a bead either side. I tie my balloon to the swivel using 10lb line. This way the balloon can run up the line to the float stop loke a normal float. However you may need to use 3 or so float stoppers in a row, other wise big live bait will move the float stopper if they cant sink the balloon. I really only use this for big baits though (yet to catch something with such a bait), yakkas i dont really think need it.... Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishing_Maniac Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) I use my bait runner with the ballon rig. Also i sould add that i use a large swivel with a bead either side. I tie my balloon to the swivel using 10lb line. This way the balloon can run up the line to the float stop loke a normal float. However you may need to use 3 or so float stoppers in a row, other wise big live bait will move the float stopper if they cant sink the balloon. I really only use this for big baits though (yet to catch something with such a bait), yakkas i dont really think need it.... Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Do you use one of the shimano baitunners mate? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited June 19, 2015 by Fishing_Maniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krause Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 6000 OC but it isn't necessary to have a bait runner. Just what your line and let it out as it wants to go Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishing_Maniac Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 6000 OC but it isn't necessary to have a bait runner. Just what your line and let it out as it wants to go Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk When you use a float is there any point in using a baitunner? Won't the Kings feel resistance from the float in the first place Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krause Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Id oly suggest using the bait runner under supervision only! And let the livie take the balloon/float where ever it wants. If the bait is swiming freely in the water collumn, any decent fish should swallow the bait with out feeling the float, but you've still got to be quick and keep tension on. They stay on the hook in free spool mode if they keep swimming, but if they stop or turn their head they're likely to spit it Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krause Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 To be honest this is just what ive experienced after alot of failed attempts. Get out there and see what works for you Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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