My reel got dunked... :(

[Peter K]

Evening all.

Was out wading and pumping nippers this morning. I caught a bream somewhere around 20cm, it had badly gut hook itself with my longshank. I had placed my rod/reel sprawled out across my kayak, bail arm was closed, well a boat comes past, I'm more worried about the fish, and as you would expect having a rod balanced across the kayak, it slid off the kayak and into the saltwater. This is the first time my reels have ever had more then sea spray. Ive read through some of the other past posts about what to do but most were pretty old and I'm not sure about things.

The reel was in contact with the water for less then 2 seconds before I grabbed it. I gave it a shake off and that was it. The only rod with me so I kept fishing. I know your supposed to not wind it in or anything, but I had just started fishing and wasn't ready to call quits.

When I got home, say after 2 hrs fishing, I sprayed it down with freshwater and that's it, tightened drag before. 

So do I have to fully strip my reel apart, does it need new bearings, or washers, do I need to send it to daiwa servicing etc? Many past post are saying that it will seize up and the bearing with rust very quickly and action must be taken right now etc. 

Its a Daiwa 2023 Kix 2500. It has magseal but not sure what good that is for a fully submerged reel. 

Any tips or advice, If I do need to take it apart, any advice please. Ive never taken much off my reels before. 

Certainly an experience I don't want again.

Cheers, Peter

[slothparade]

Should be fine. I've had a Penn sit on the bottom for days before being found by a diver and it is still smooth and great, couldn't tell it had been dunked 

[Peter K]

4 minutes ago, slothparade said:

Should be fine. I've had a Penn sit on the bottom for days before being found by a diver and it is still smooth and great, couldn't tell it had been dunked

That's positive, did you do anything after recovery, re-lubrication etc. Anything special required or not really.

[slothparade]

15 minutes ago, Peter K said:

That's positive, did you do anything after recovery, re-lubrication etc. Anything special required or not really.

Nah just sprayed with inox 

[savit]

• 'MAGSEALED BODY - Ultimate protection is delivered to the engine room of the reel with a magnetised oil seal located on the main shaft of the reel’s rotor shutting the door to the elements and unwanted intruders. Dust, water, and salt intrusion into the inner workings of a reel are a thing of the past with MagSeal.'
• https://daiwafishing.com.au/products/23-kix

It looks like it it better than IPX8. Why not just take it back to the store for refund, exchange or repair - if it does not perform as described?

[Peter K]

2 minutes ago, savit said:

Why not just take it back to the store for refund, exchange or repair - if it does not perform as described?

What do you mean? 

Before it was dunked, I didn't really have any major issues with its performance.

It did still work fine a few hours after getting dunked this morning, I'll try it tomorrow and throughout the week and future to see if anything comes of it. 

Are you suggesting that if it does seize up i could get refund/exchange/repair due to the fact that magseal should stop that from occurring?

Peter

[ireallylovefishies22]

My current reel was pulled in by a fish around 7 months ago, I just saw it floating in the water when I turned to check it. Didn't do anything to it except rinse it with freshwater, and it still works fine. Might still run into problems down the track though 😰

[savit]

32 minutes ago, Peter K said:

What do you mean? 

Before it was dunked, I didn't really have any major issues with its performance.

It did still work fine a few hours after getting dunked this morning, I'll try it tomorrow and throughout the week and future to see if anything comes of it. 

Are you suggesting that if it does seize up i could get refund/exchange/repair due to the fact that magseal should stop that from occurring?

Peter

Why Magseal should not stop it? It is an ultimate protection. Not my words, Daiwa's.

https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/problem-with-a-product-or-service-you-bought/repair-replace-refund-cancel

If the reel develops issues soon - I would visit a retailer with reel and invoice , if retailer refuses to fix the problem - I would call Daiwa, if Daiwa refuses  - I would call ACCC,  and ACCC will give them hard time.

[slowjigger]

Normally a dunking would require a strip down and re lube - or at least a look to see if water has got in. I don't know anything about the mag seal system. Shouldn't be a warranty claim - unless perhaps they claim the reel is waterproof. 

[Peter K]

Thanks all, I suppose its just a waiting game now to see if any major issues arise. I may try doing a small strip down to assess where water has gotten too.

Cheers, Peter

[Green Hornet]

Just pay attention to any changes in noise that could indicate bearing damage or a slightly rough feeling through the handle indicating salt in the gears.  
If it was only in the water a couple of seconds, it’s probably fine.

[Peter K]

1 minute ago, Green Hornet said:

Just pay attention to any changes in noise that could indicate bearing damage or a slightly rough feeling through the handle indicating salt in the gears.  
If it was only in the water a couple of seconds, it’s probably fine.

Thanks GH, will do. If such sounds of damage occur, does that mean I will need to replace bearings and gears, or will it just need a deep service?

[Little_Flatty]

I dunked a Sedona once for only a few seconds and it was serviced straight away, but it was just never the same again. Particularly the bail roller, which try as many did, we couldn’t get it to roll again. Granted, it’s not the same grade of reel as your Kix. I suspect it would fare much better.

I wish we had alvey grade reels for flats luring!

I must say, reading these fly fishing magazines and seeing these anglers pictured on the flats with their catch - with their reels submerged in saltwater - still sends a shiver up my spine. I know their $800 fly reels are probably sealed and/or their reels have alvey like construction,  but it still gives me the heebie jeebies!

[Steve0]

The meaning of IP ratings, for those who don't know:

IP = ingress protection

The two digits after IP are the degree of ingress protection. The first of these relates to solid object ingress (dust). X means unknown (fishing reels don't work in a dusty environment, so manufacturers probably think they have no need to test them). I take it on faith that a high degree of water ingress protection also screens out fine particles of wind blown sand on a beach.

The second digit relates to water, which is what we need to know for a fishing reel. Nothing is 'waterproof'. Sink a reel deep enough, it's going to leak.  The linked table explains the IP standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_code#Second_digit:_Liquid_ingress_protection

Some of the wording is open to interpretation. For example, an IPX8 reel should stay tight up to 1m, but may get 'iffy' as the depth increases towards 3m. By 'iffy', I mean it depends on what the manufacturer specifies they are looking for in the test. For an IPX8, deeper than 3M depth there is no claim of protection, which does not mean it will not survive a deeper dunking, but don't push your luck.

Don't forget, the components outside the sealed area are not protected (line roller, bail arm mechanism, drag, etc).

How much can you trust magseal to prevent water ingress? If Daiwa test their reels, I've never seen a rating. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:29 PM by Steve0

[Green Hornet]

2 hours ago, Peter K said:

Thanks GH, will do. If such sounds of damage occur, does that mean I will need to replace bearings and gears, or will it just need a deep service?

Just get it serviced and if anything needs replacing, I’m sure they’ll let you know.

[Peter K]

Thanks SteveO, that helps, I had no clue there was a rating system on reels, I had only heard of IP rating for outdoor waterproof plug adapters etc, eg. IP44.

How do I find out what IP rating my reel has, or do brands such as Daiwa not specifically state what IP level the reels are rated too?? 

The reel didn't get to 1m deep, was underwater for like 2 seconds, about 20cm underwater. 

 

Thanks GH, Ill assess the reels performance over the next week or so, then I may send it in.

 

Cheers, Peter

[XD351]

I doubt it would have hurt it , modern reels seal pretty well especially where the side cover joint is and this creates an air pocket inside , for water to get into the gears air has to come out and I doubt it would have had time to. I have had reels (old daiwa exceler ) that got drowned - only affect was the so called stainless main shaft was really chrome plated steel rusted - salt water ran down under the drag knob and got trapped there so one thing I do now is to check and dry inside the hole though the spool and the main shaft if they cop a drowning- I then re grease it before assembling. Good idea to also wipe off the main shaft where it goes into the pinion gear and dry before applying fresh grease.

 

[Peter K]

5 minutes ago, XD351 said:

I doubt it would have hurt it , modern reels seal pretty well especially where the side cover joint is and this creates an air pocket inside , for water to get into the gears air has to come out and I doubt it would have had time to. I have had reels (old daiwa exceler ) that got drowned - only affect was the so called stainless main shaft was really chrome plated steel rusted - salt water ran down under the drag knob and got trapped there so one thing I do now is to check and dry inside the hole though the spool and the main shaft if they cop a drowning- I then re grease it before assembling. Good idea to also wipe off the main shaft where it goes into the pinion gear and dry before applying fresh grease.

 

Thats a confidence boost for me! Ill have a check for that today on the shaft, thanks mate some good advice there on things I should check on.