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I'll be in JB for the first two weeks of feb we only have a small boat though should still be fun but I got some learning to do about where to fish there.

thats sorta fair enough... plenty of kingies in other places well done on the bream!

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yeah it works on the principal that you can onyl get products of nine no matter what numbers you pick, so they just make all the symbols the same on products of nine. Check the final table, and you should see 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54, 63 etc. all have the same symbol.

First proper kingy expedition for the season friday. Tied rigs all last night, so I'm pumped saturday/sunday will be doing a camp for african refugees to learn soccer and basketball. Might get up early for a fish because it's on the hacking.

The marine park starts at mutton bird island and goes north, there are sanctuary zones, but you'd need a map to know where those are. http://www.mpa.nsw.gov.au/simp-map-01.html

Trying to get a ride out for kings friday morning since my boat is out of action. Saturday/sunday assignment and a wedding sadly.

gah all this talk of kings has me salivating... need to get out soon as the boat is back! All I've been catching lately is flatties. Maybe I'm the ANTI KELVIN! I think the noise stuff depends on what kind of noises and conditions are prevalent, and the other aspect of boats circling around, is definately big shadows! I'm of the opinion that the "spookability" of fish changes with different conditions. If they are in a situation where they are naturally more cautious looking for predators then they will be more esily scared. This changes with water clarity, general frequency of traffic in the area, how many natural predators they have, the species of fish, water temps and a whole bunch of other things that will send you insane if you think too much about them. One interesting note is that silence and darkness are relied on in bream fishing at night for bigger models, which may mean those seasoned fish learn to associate noises and erratic light with danger. Something to think about indeed. I wouldn't have guessed pelagic fish would be affected because of the nature of how they hunt, so what you say is interesting kelvin, and has implications for downrigging.

It should be noted that jurisdiction for management of fishing waters for most of us is managed by the STATE government, and not the federal one. Federal issues with regards to fishing are more things like protection of our international waters (affecting tuna and marlin stocks). However the Howard government is over-zealous about protecting our waters from everyone and everything, and they still fail sometimes because enforcement is difficult, so policy is not as important in this area as it would be for state and marine parks. What robbie says is true though, having a seat in the senate in a house where there is no majority gives some clout with regards to legislation. It's usually made up of minor parties with very different views (greens, christian democrats, shooters, family first etc.) so the major parties have to be strategic and diplomatic. For me, federally, there are more important political issues than fishing, such as social policies, overseas aid and economic management... I will either vote for a major party above the line, or possibly the fishing party below the line, as I care about my preferences.

saturday out on the bay chasing flathead, sunday nothin.

I've been to some of mike's gigs. nice fish btw.

thanks dude put on an each way bet and got 4-1

I get it!

when are you there? I'll be on heron from 20th til 27th of november for uni and I'm trying to work out how to get a fishing trip in A lot of the area around the island is marine park sanctuary zone, so be careful where you wet a line. You can get maps here: http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/corp_site/managem...oning_maps.html they will show you where you can go. I was planning on taking a charter if possible.

We fished the harbour for 0 today also. Is it just me or was the quarantine buoy missing? Maybe it came loose? they had a barge out there adding some markers (aka kingfish spots). The salmon are going off the boil a bit it seems.

I have a 40hp, would you reccommend the same oil? or is the fuel economy not a viable improvement in a low powered engine?

rock fishing is very dangerous, and should only be attempted under calm conditions, and initially in the company of people who know what they are doing. The first gear you need to buy is safety gear. Depending on the type of rocks you are fishing from you will need either cleats or rubber soled shoes, and light clothing. You should also never fish alone. It might be good to pay a guide for the first trip at least. As far as tackle goes, depending on what you are chasing you can select a rod and reel. A light whippy rod and reel combo will set you up for bream and blackfish, with a bit more beef needed for drummer, ranging up to a powerful combo for pelagics or groper. There are some great DVDs on sydney rock fishing that take you through safety, tackle and locations. I'd grab one of those and book a trip out with a guide. Then you'll be totally equipped and any specific questions you have can be answered with the wealth of knowledge here. It will save you time and money ultimately, and will help you avoid the dangers of the sport.

I knew a guy that was an engineer at a hot water heater company, and his job was to design heaters that would last juuuust longer than the warranty period.

I'm glad you asked for a source, because it is too easy these days to spout out claims without evidence. Exact data is impossible to get because there are so many fishermen to servey, however you can look at models and good stats work and be confident that for the most commonly targeted species (bream, whiting flathead) catch rates in sydney of recreational fishermen approach or exceed those of commercial fishermen. One source: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:pjCzrX...;cd=4&gl=au (for those that can't be bothered reading it, it puts the NSW recreational catch conservatively at 50,000 tonnes per year, and suggests flathead, bream and whiting recreational catches approach or exceed commercial catch in certain places.) Another source I read I have the notes for at home, I'll try and find them and update. The species where recreational anglers don't do as much damage as the pros are the ones like gemfish and tuna that are internationally targeted, and available only to those with bigger boats. Inshore esturine species however, I think we often put the total recreational catch in the realm of what us and our friends catch (maybe a hundred fish per month) when the reality is there are a lot more fish than that caught. It's true that pros measure their catch in tonnes and us in kilos, but there are a lot more of us than them. If all the raiders out on a sunday catch a couple of kilo of fish that is already approaching a tonne, and not everyone out on a sunday is even a raider (yet... although stewie will probably see to that before long ) As I said before, the raiders as a whole are very conservation minded, and almost always start throwing back fish way BEFORE they bag out, however there are a lot of us, and a lot of non raider fishermen as well, and the weight of this, as well as bad practices (which i wont get into because it's against site rules) does add up. I know people who fish 3 or 4 nights a week, and are very good fishermen. The cumulative impact of one person is definately negligable, however with 100s and 1000s of recreational fishermen in sydney who would be in the "upper echelon" or "semi pro" categories, the guys who are consistently catching fish, the impact definately is not negligable. We have a right to fish, and on this site we're all pretty good conservationally... we all want to do the right thing. I think we should definately try though, to make sure we know as best as possible what our impact is, and try to work out ways where we can still fish, but in a way that makes sure there will definately be good catches for our grand children. For the record, I am not yet convinced marine parks are the best way of doing this, but I recognise there is an impact that recreational anglers have, and it needs to be managed ALONG WITH all the other things affecting fish life (international fleets, aquarium trade, pollution, siltation, overdevelopment). I hope it can happen in my life time in a way that is fair for everyone. I realise this is a challenging topic, so thanks mondo for the way you replied. I definately don't expect you to believe claims without a source, and even with one source presented it is good to do your own investigation to make sure I'm not talking out of my butt... because I am definately still in the process of fully educating myself about this.

I think it is important to note that each marine park's process and outcomes are very different. You have some where the process was very inclusive and exhaustive to try and get the best for everyone (jervis bay) and others where they just said "screw it we'll put the sanctuary zones wherever we want" (byron bay). There is also a whole lot of approaches inbetween. On this board we definately underestimate the impact of recreational catch. The "semi pro" guys which is the top 10% of recreational anglers catch around 80% of that catch, and in volume on popular recreational species it often exceeds commercial catch. I am constantly impressed by the mentality of fishraiders practicing catch and release well below legal bag limits, and most people only take what they need, but there IS a lot of us, and we ARE mostly pretty adept fishermen compared to joe "frozen prawns and a $10 plastic rod" blogs. I'm not convinced marine parks are the answer to sustainable recreational fishing, but I will be supporting measures I see to effectively control and sustain fish stocks, particularly ones based on good science like the increase to the legal length of kingfish. Whether or not the greens are as willing to cooperate with conservationally minded fishos as those speaking in this discussion remains to be seen though.

Interesting. Maybe I need to move spots.

happy birfday. I hope you all get nice gifts.

Maiden voyage for my father in law's new boat friday. I'll be aiming to cover it firstly with ink, then blood.

I've caught a couple but they are usually in roe I find when I cut them up. In a month or so there will be little schools of squid everywhere. Just need to wait for the eggs to start hatching.

very well done!