Fab1
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8 hours ago, noelm said:
A sinker running to a swivel is used when you need more weight, but still allow a fairly natural bait presentation, a sinker setup like this can tangle in deeper water (drifting for Flathead) because the sinker can slide up the line away from the swivel, a second swivel just about the sinker can eliminate this. As far as a Paternoster goes, I use a different setup (hate 3 way swivels) I just tie a swivel on the line with a really long leader, this is where a simple loop is tied on the leader end for the sinker, then off the swivel a shorter leader for the hook, tied to the same end as the sinker dropper, this allows the main line to still untwist via the swivel, plus you have a good knot and a single strand on your hook "dropper" works a treat for drifting for reef fish, the hook is well off the bottom.
Is this how you tie your patternoster?
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3 hours ago, noelm said:
A sinker running to a swivel is used when you need more weight, but still allow a fairly natural bait presentation, a sinker setup like this can tangle in deeper water (drifting for Flathead) because the sinker can slide up the line away from the swivel, a second swivel just about the sinker can eliminate this. As far as a Paternoster goes, I use a different setup (hate 3 way swivels) I just tie a swivel on the line with a really long leader, this is where a simple loop is tied on the leader end for the sinker, then off the swivel a shorter leader for the hook, tied to the same end as the sinker dropper, this allows the main line to still untwist via the swivel, plus you have a good knot and a single strand on your hook "dropper" works a treat for drifting for reef fish, the hook is well off the bottom.
I find the running sinker to swivel in deep water the leader gets tangled around the mainline as the sinker goes down quicker than the hook/bait and the current tangles it all up.
I've read about your method of patternoster before(Never tried it) I just tie a simple loop in the line about 16-20 inches from snapper lead which is a double obviously or if I want a single strand to hook I snip one end off the loop.
3 hours ago, noelm said:Just a kind of side note on the sinker/swivel setup, I have a mate that fishes almost exclusively for Flathead (in the ocean) and he makes his own sinkers, a simple medium size barrel sinker, but, he has a swivel moulded in at each end, he just ties his main line to one end and his leader and hook to the other, the sinker does not "run" he reckons it outfishes a Paternoster by miles, never tangles and is quite simple really.
I would of thought it would tangle as the lead would go down quicker than the baited hook and the current would wrap the trace/hook around the mainline.
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17 hours ago, Pickles said:
Great question Fab, I usually use a running sinker rig with no swivel when there is little or no current and fishing ultra light (4-6 lb). I have the smallest lightest ball sinker I can get away with, sometimes no sinker at all. This is especially so with live bait (Nipper, prawns or Yakkas / Slimies) etc
When do you use a swivel and sinker above it?
17 hours ago, kingie chaser said:Here are an explanations you can pass onto your mate re the running rig to swivel.
Never really use the running sinker to hook at all.
I assume in the deeper water you use a patternoster then?I find I end up a tangled mess with the running sinker to swivel in the deep.
16 hours ago, noelm said:There's a place for all those rigs, and variations of them too, first off, unweighted, this is usually done with little or no current, or for close in around the rocks, it allows for a very natural bait presentation. Lightly weighted, this rig is used from estuary to deeper water for Snapper from an anchored boat, it consists of a small ball sinker running right to the hook, the sinker used will be just enough to get the bait into a burley trail, or keep in near the bottom in faster running water. Sinker to swivel, this allows a bigger sinker to cast out, or hold bottom, but not interfere with bait presentation. Paternoster, tied properly, it's used for drifting, or bottom fished when anchored, a sloppy double loop arrangement is not ideal and will limit catch rates, but a decent tied setup works OK.
Good explanation mate.i use a single hook patternoster instead of 2.
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Mate at work asked me what's the difference between a running sinker rig with sinker on hook and a running sinker rig with sinker on swivel?
When and where to use rigs like these and patternosters? He fishes in bays from boat and shore from what he tells me.(Never seen him fish or fished with him as he's central coast based).
I told him I use running sinker on swivel with a trace about a meter long so it moves in the current in shallow water bellow about 5-6 meters and patternoster in deeper water or on the drift chasing flathead.
I really don't know if it's right or wrong but has worked a few times for me when I actually get out there and try.
If anyone can post when to use each rig,in what water depths and why it will hopefully help someone new to fishing including a mate and myself.
Have a great Chrissy everyone.
Cheers.
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You have to be happy with that result mate.Great job!Merry Xmas to you and the family too.
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Well done as always mate.
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20 minutes ago, noelm said:
No Renegade/Outlaw 440 or bigger should ever be sold on a non braked trailer, any dealer that does needs a talking to!
I always look at boats on the road and at ramps and the mind boggles how some of the ones I see I know are overweight on unbranded trailers.My little 420 quinny weighs 550kg ready to fish with not much in it really.Doesnt take long to add 200kg when you go bigger boat,motor,trailer not to mention the crap most guys fit their boats out with.
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I hope your'e storing it without the chain attached?
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In regards to cheese blocks I couldn't fit through the bloody split windscreen in my boat and told the mrs these need to go as they are way to chunky and fat to get through tight spaces.
I took it off in anger and no later than 5 minutes later I needed to get through the windscreen again to find i still couldn't get through the windscreen with only a T shirt on.
I look back at the mrs sitting on the rear bench with a smug look on her face for her to then proceed to tell me perhaps I should take my T shirt off to see if I fit through the windscreen now .🙄😂😂
Some women are just born rude.
Let's just say I now leap over the windscreen gracefully like a gazelle.🤣😂.I'm still working out how the dents got in the bow as they weren't there before.😉
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On 12/17/2021 at 5:10 PM, mrsswordfisherman said:
Geez @Fab1 I bet your wife has come to the rescue with her handbag FOS !!
I am very selective who I give my handbag contents to 👜💰
She sure has.How someone fits so much into such a small bag is beyond me.No wonder she thinks we can put a table,lounge,kitchen,tv,bbq,etc,etc into my 14ft tinny and still have plenty of room left for us.
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Pass it to the mrs to put in her handbag with the other million bits a nd bobs she carries until the end of trip.
I reckon I could say to the mrs I wish I'd brought my bar fridge with us on the boat and she'd pull it out of her handbag.
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That will be a sad day when she's gone mate.You've put alot of blood,sweat,tears and $$$ into that boat.All the best with the new one and hope it serves you well like this one has.
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Very nicely done.Can't complain about that catch.
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11 hours ago, Rebel said:
Good haul as usual. Well done.
That crab was Fabi in disguise trying to steal your Whiting.
Cheers.
Don't tell Yowie I'm back as a ray watching every move he makes taking notes.😉
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5 hours ago, Yowie said:
Thank you.
I could reply to that comment, but Fab might get upset. 😂
Great work again mate.Size 2 long shank for whiting?I must be doing something wrong as I've always used a size 4 or 6 usually 4.I thread nippers on like a prawn with 2 half hitches around tail or ping them once through the tail.That must be all wrong too.
Love reading the reports mate.👍👍
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6 hours ago, leonardgid said:
hi there , Car that i own does not have a towbar and electrical plug , i will get one installed soon , but before i do i would like to know if i need a certain type of plug , or do all boat trailers use a universal sort of electrical plug? ... thank you
If your getting a tow bar installed they will sort that out for you.They will use a 7 pin flat plug 100%.If you want to save some $ there's the diy route like I did if you're capable.
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How many of you would know what from what in a blind test?Not many if any is my bet.Just eat the bloody thing.😂😂
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You're starting to sound like Yowie.When he says it's quiet he comes back with the Noahs Ark of fish.
Nicely done.
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23 minutes ago, Yowie said:
Thank you.
Run out tide so no whiting fishing today. Could see it would be fairly good weather, so had to go fishing. 🤣
The wife thinks I am mad at waking up at 3am. Like the video posted by Donna from Fisheries, I have been doing the early morning wake-up since I was a youngster. That's about 30 years or so. Well, what about 50 years. Maybe longer?
Now you're lying.Everyone knows youngsters and teenagers wake up at 3pm.😂😂Excellent as always my friend.
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3 hours ago, frankS said:
I know a lot of you young blokes get a bit sick of hearing us OLD codgers talk about how WE did it in our day.
Back then there was no internet there was no fishing forums there was no mobile phones, in fact there were no electronics to speak of.
I remember my first fish finder ( depth finder ) was a stylus that flashed in a circle and would show the depth by increasing the volume of dots on the screen, then came the paper style sounders, we thought this was REAL out of space stuff.
We had to outsmart the fish to catch it. Admitably there were more fish around in them days, but we still had to find where they were likely to be, so we learnt to read the water, we learned to read where structure was likely to be, we learned how to actually feel for a bite and learned when and how hard to strike to get a hook up.
Mostly we learned from self experience OR talking with someone about what to do.
I was talking with a young guy ( 16 years old ) the other day and the knowledge he had about most aspects of fishing blew my mind, He could name all the tackle manufacturers, state the Serial numbers of different rod and what it all meant, could state what hook had what number to it, Could identify lures from my collection that I didn't have a clue who made it. The list of this guys knowledge goes on and on.
I set a casting outfit up and we went over the park to have a few casts. He didn't have a clue, he bird nested my outfits first try, even the spin reels he couldn't get a decent cast in, was doing pretty well everything wrong.
To talk with this young bloke you would think as I did, " wow this guy has got it all together " but in reality it was all knowledge and NO practice experience.
You may all be thinking what is the point to this post ?
Well just some advise to the young guys out there that come to forums to educate their minds, GET OUT ON THE WATER AND LEARN.
Nothing like practice at anything you do.
Hope some see what I am getting at.
Frank
I bet he was a tradesman also.😉
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On 11/27/2021 at 6:04 PM, Bryant fish said:
Hey fab may try and fix it for a spare.new 1 is multiflex didnt realise till I got to shop it wasnt teleflex would have happily paid extra for it
Teleflex is the go.Make it a habit of turning the wheel from lock to lock every now and again while it's sitting there and store your boat with the steering ram retracted too.
Hopefully you get many more years from this one.
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1 hour ago, Bryant fish said:
So pulled cable out bloody thing seized $120 for a new one not to bad but hopefully lasts longer. now just the weather needs to clear
You only replaced it 2 yrs ago.Should last year's longer than that.I would of cleaned it out and relubed then invested the $120 else where.
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56 minutes ago, Bryant fish said:
Thanks all will see what it is when rain stops just bloody annoying but that's what's happens when you have old stuff
Old stuff with a 2yr old helm shouldn't do that.Helms should last decades.Somethings amiss buy we don't have x-ray vision.The Helm is either faulty/broken or the issue on the engine side.Tilt tube,bushes,etc,swivel bracket.
Don't stress as anything can be fixed with detective work on your part,time and some money.
Kyeemagh - Baby bream
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Well said fellas.Just to add to what the guys said.....Water depth,line thickness,size of bait/lure, etc will affect the sink rate of your rig too.As mentioned I am trying to work at getting all those variables right too.
I try not to anchor my bait to the bottom but to pick a weight light enough that my bait drifts close to the bottom with the current.
You may find that at slack water you can use a weightless rig and as the tide picks up and the current increases you may have to add weight several times to hold you bait close to the bottom during your session.
I understand the theory and techniques but my fish finding skills are lacking.😂😂
Good luck in your adventures mate.