Dan0 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Hello Raiders Just looking for a bit of advice relating to the amount of overhang my boat has past the end of the trailer. Recent visit to major brand outlet mechanic, I was advised that the trailer looked too short and non compliant. Anyway I took it to another mechanic who thought it was ok - I had no idea when I was buying that this was an important aspect. Anyway here is a photo showing the 600mm or so from the end of the trailer skid to end of boat Should i be concerned about anything as I take my family out in it on occasion. Appreciate any thoughts Appologies if this is in the wrong spot. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelm Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Can't say that it looks great, add the pod and the motor and it's way over the end of the trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmk1962 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) In my experience that is too much overhang. The transom is carrying all your motor dead weight. Ideally you want a roller or some other trailer support just under the transom or as close to it as possible. The way yours is set up, the weight is carried by a section of the hull. If there is a stringer at that point, then all may be good. If not, then it's essentially the ally or fibreglass skin that is carrying that weight. It will flex and eventually fail (crack). I have a very similar boat with pod / trailer set up. This is how far my trailer extends... but note the rollers that are pretty much under the transom providing support. Cheers Zoran Edited October 15, 2020 by zmk1962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan0 Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 Thanks for responding noelm, from what ive googled so far its not really good. Have put a jack under the transom and chocked it up just a bit. Starting to be somewhat concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan0 Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 zmk1962 cheers, that is exactly what i need. Might have to weld something on the back tho that may put the wheels too far forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan0 Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 Well, looks like it shouldnt be on skids either - being a fglass boat should be on red rollers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmk1962 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Dan0 said: zmk1962 cheers, that is exactly what i need. Might have to weld something on the back tho that may put the wheels too far forward By doing something like I have you are not changing the balance of the trailer ... the wheels can stay exactly where they are. You are just adding support to the transom. The boat is already balanced where it is, its just using the hull to carry the load, rather than the trailer. Cheers Zoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmk1962 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Just now, Dan0 said: Well, looks like it shouldnt be on skids either - being a fglass boat should be on red rollers. Lots of FG boats are on skids... and many folks are changing from rollers to skids 'coz of the lower maintenance. Just focus on correct support for now... and then on ease of riding on /off trailer. Cheers Zoran 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan0 Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 yeah lots to consider there. its so old worse - rusty, may struggle to put down a decent weld. might just be due for a change out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelm Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Take a photo of the entire trailer and boat from the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campr Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Trailer appears to be too short to me with too much weight not being supported at rear. There is also the issue of whether there is the correct weight over the towball as this can cause excessive bounce when towing which can affect controll of rig and breaking probs. Just a thought. How long is the draw bar, is there any chance youu can move the winch post forward bringing boat further onto the trailer. This may mean you need to move axle as well to adjust drawbar weight. First thing would be to contact trailer manufacturer ang find out max it was built for. Dealers selling rigs with unsuitable trailers to cut costs used to be fairly common once but it is rare these days. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade460 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I would be getting another trailer. Rear of boat is sitting on skids on the chines only, too much overhang. A good trailer will set you back a few grand but at least you know it will be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan0 Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, noelm said: Take a photo of the entire trailer and boat from the side. Cheers, Will take some tomorrow 38 minutes ago, campr said: Trailer appears to be too short to me with too much weight not being supported at rear. There is also the issue of whether there is the correct weight over the towball as this can cause excessive bounce when towing which can affect controll of rig and breaking probs. Just a thought. How long is the draw bar, is there any chance youu can move the winch post forward bringing boat further onto the trailer. This may mean you need to move axle as well to adjust drawbar weight. First thing would be to contact trailer manufacturer ang find out max it was built for. Dealers selling rigs with unsuitable trailers to cut costs used to be fairly common once but it is rare these days. Ron thanks, build plate says 1998 , Yes it only sits on the Chines which is a worry 2000kg rated- 28 minutes ago, Renegade460 said: I would be getting another trailer. Rear of boat is sitting on skids on the chines only, too much overhang. A good trailer will set you back a few grand but at least you know it will be right. thanks, had a quick google around 7k to 10k for a decent one, bit out of my reach unfortunatly at the moment. Will have to look at second hand options see if there is anything worthwhile that is at leaast long enough for starters, maybe do that one up Edited October 15, 2020 by Dan0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffb5.8 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Can you slide the winch post forward to allow the boat to go further on the skid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan0 Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, jeffb5.8 said: Can you slide the winch post forward to allow the boat to go further on the skid. Thanks Jeffb - its pretty much maxed out any further and its approaching the welds for the ball joint assembly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonywardle Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) From RMS Loads that project more than 1.2m behind a trailer must have a red flag attached to the end of the load. This flag must be at least 300 mm square and clearly visible. To avoid having an overhanging load, you should purchase a trailer that suitably contains the load https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/towing.html#:~:text=Loading trailers,-It is important&text=A load must not project,mm square and clearly visible. So if you have a flag on the back, then you are ok from an over hang point of view. Edited October 16, 2020 by antonywardle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunc333 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 my advice would be get a new trailer dan cheers dunc333 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffb5.8 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, antonywardle said: From RMS Loads that project more than 1.2m behind a trailer must have a red flag attached to the end of the load. This flag must be at least 300 mm square and clearly visible. To avoid having an overhanging load, you should purchase a trailer that suitably contains the load https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/towing.html#:~:text=Loading trailers,-It is important&text=A load must not project,mm square and clearly visible. So if you have a flag on the back, then you are ok from an over hang point of view. I have a Bright Red / Orange flag which sits on my outboard propeller as when tilted up it falls into the above category, so it was provided by the dealer to meet regulations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan0 Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 hey thanks everyone for the information, appologies for the slow reply, much appreciated will definately have a flag on it just in case from now on. Well at this point having had a few people have a look, we decided to sell the boat anyway and move to a smaller boat. Something like a high sides tinnie that I can solo drop in Pine river at the drop of a hat so to speak, and not worry bout bottoming out etc. Kids are a bit older and not interested in boating as much as i had hoped, and my mates tinnie is so easy and cheap to run so its eather that or chop the top off and make a centre console maybe, but that means no boat at all for a while and more $$. so will put the advert up next week hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunc333 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 prob a good call dano, let us know when shes for sale AS i know a mate in our fishos club lookling cheers dunc33e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan0 Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 Hello everyone Just a quick update - well the boat is still parked out front looking a little sad on tyres. Have pulled the trailer out from under it, looking at repair / extending it or possibly replace and sell that one. Welding gear all sorted, just pricing everything up to evaluate if its worth it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingie chaser Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 2:35 PM, Dan0 said: Hello everyone Just a quick update - well the boat is still parked out front looking a little sad on tyres. Have pulled the trailer out from under it, looking at repair / extending it or possibly replace and sell that one. Welding gear all sorted, just pricing everything up to evaluate if its worth it. I like the boat, what is it?? 3 hours ago, motiondave said: Its a boat. Bring On. Another. Thousand 😊 I always called it Break Out Another Thousand, but they both come to the same conclusion= 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fab1 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, kingie chaser said: I like the boat, what is it?? I always called it Break Out Another Thousand, but they both come to the same conclusion= 😂 My wallet has looked like the one pictured for 27yrs.Before that it was always full.Then it dawned on me 27 yrs ago I met my mrs and it was all over.😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickmarlin62 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 The flag is only pertinent to box trailers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrxhoon1 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 7 hours ago, kingie chaser said: I like the boat, what is it?? I always called it Break Out Another Thousand, but they both come to the same conclusion= 😂 Looks like a late 80's /early 90's Frazer, WA built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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