Night raider Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I have recently purchased a Stacer 509 sea runner with 90hp evinrude etec my question is what are my limitations in regards to taking this boat offshore fishing out Sydney heads and how far would you take it on a good weather day , could it be possible to get to some reefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickmarlin62 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 cant see any reason why not.if in doubt try travelling with another boat...I fish from a 4.8 and have travelled 30nm to the shelf off Swansea..if you stick to good days and watch the weather forecasts on the many apps available you should be fine..if planning a trip put it on the forum and see if another raider is fishing the same day..im sure someone wont mind you tagging along to learn..rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Lots of variables in regards to weather, level of boating experiance etc etc. some people might simply feel happy fishing harbours while others might take that outfit 50k + offshore on a good day. If it's your first time out there you could either take someone who does it regularly or tag along with another boat. Boats can handle quite well even in quite bad conditions when driven properly, its building up that experiance that takes time. Check the weather conditions, listen to the regular forecast updates on your marine radio and plan the destination accordingly. If a 10-20 knot NE is forecast it's often easier to head towards the NE so when the wind starts to pick up you can head home with the wind behind you ( same for southerly direction ). Build up hours on the water and you will find you have a very capable boat, one of the worst parts I used to find was navigating the harbour with all the boat traffic and wash generated from some boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddyT Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 What experience do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night raider Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 Have been on family boats all my life feel very comfortable boating but this is my first personal boat .. I normally put the boat in at Rhodes boat ramp and heading out to rose bay and just outside the heads With just myself onboard and feel quite comfortable venturing bit further out still need to purchase an epirb/flares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) You don't legally need an epirb untill you head more than 2nm offshore. Edited January 30, 2019 by JonD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night raider Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 Very keen to get on the action I would would really appreciate any one is will to give some gps marks to hit up on some decent size fish within 2nm range ... pm if don’t want to list publicly thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfishbig Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) You are on the right track sticking to 2nm out (and maybe a bit further up and down the coast). Being a pressed tinny it is light in weight with a moderate V and so is not suitable for covering many miles of open ocean (no matter how good the skipper is). It will put you in range of the 70m depth reefs which are good drifting grounds. Keep an eye out for the charter boats as they will know the good grounds. There are also several map books available. Edited October 9, 2017 by kingfishbig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddyT Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 If you are used to the harbour then you should be fine outside, the harbour tends to be the bumpiest part of my run to the sea (i launch at Roseville most times). Get the RMS information on the gear you need for offshore, learn how to use a marine radio properly and log on with Marine Rescue. Dont go outside the heads without the right safety gear- I have a mate who was checked while outside and the RMS didnt believe him that he didnt go wider than 2Nm- they booked him, not to mention brown stuff happens even close to shore! As for spots google a few reefs- Long Reef, The Peak, The colours, Mugs, the whale, they all hold, fish at times-it depends on what you are targetting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailcraft43 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, JonD said: You don't need an epirb untill you head more than 2nm offshore. Good to have one anyway. as you might not intend to go 2 nm offshore but could easily end up out there with flat batteries, failed radio equipment, etc. better to be safe than sorry. Edited October 9, 2017 by Trailcraft43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 27 minutes ago, Trailcraft43 said: Good to have one anyway. as you might not intend to go 2 nm offshore but could easily end up out there with flat batteries, failed radio equipment, etc. better to be safe than sorry. Yes agree they are good to have, though I doubt to many would use one for a flat battery. Mobile phones pick quite well out to the shelf and beyond. In saying that I only use a single battery these days but carry a small high energy jump battery ( which has been used on plenty of 4x4s after owners have left lights on at the ramp etc) . I also carry a spare handheld vhf as well as a epirb and plb. I do take my boat a fair way offshore (80km in a 5m boat) at times, hence the extra safety gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmk1962 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 22 hours ago, JonD said: You don't need an epirb untill you head more than 2nm offshore. You are correct JonD... epirbs and radios are additional requirements once you are 2nm offshore... But Night Raider ... just be aware that all the other safety gear for "Open Waters" is required to be onboard even if you are less then 2nm offshore but are in what Maritime defines as "Open Waters". Maritime has defined sydney harbour "Open Waters" as a line from Cannae Pt (north harbour) to South Head. The map can be found here: http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/maritime/usingwaterways/maps/boating-maps/9d-port-jackson.pdf So even fishing North Head puts you into Open Waters. Net is ....if you are experimenting around there already, just get the epirb and radio. It will make it safer for you and avoid the hassles if the conditions are right to duck further outside. Cheers Zoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night raider Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Thanks everyone for all your advice and tips I will purchase and epirb/radio better to safe .. just out of curiosity what is the fine like for being in open water and not having correct safety gear ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmk1962 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Not sure...guess you could call Maritime and ask. I've just not bothered to explore that path. Without being over dramatic what's your life or some other's life or boat worth? Open waters present an additional challenge to boaters. I believe in a skippers duty of care. I'm responsible for my crew and my craft. Also responsible to monitor/answer emergency calls for help - I'd want the same duty of care from other skippers if I required assistance. Over the years I have towed or stayed with my share of craft until help arrived. If it all goes pear shaped and the authorities subsequently conclude you were in open waters without the required safety gear, then you as skipper would be held responsible for your crew and craft. I also suspect the insurance company would walk away as well. ... and the mishap may not even be your fault (eg someone runs into you). Cheers Zoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night raider Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 Zoran I plan on purchasing a GME Epirb/gps tomorrow are these registered online another words could I purchase the epirb then go offshore next day or wait for do I need to wait on registration cert?? Also plan on buying floating hand held vhf radio without the having the required radio licence would I be in trouble during safety inspections, I do plan on getting the radio license just plan on getting offshore this weekend thanks for any info you can provide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Night raider said: Thanks everyone for all your advice and tips I will purchase and epirb/radio better to safe .. just out of curiosity what is the fine like for being in open water and not having correct safety gear ? I recon if you played dumb and made you thought you had to be 2nm offshore you would more than likely just get warned first time. Realistically once you have the right gear you will feel a hell of a lot better out there, most epirbs have a 10 year battery and cost bellow $300, $30 per year is pretty good value in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmk1962 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, Night raider said: Zoran I plan on purchasing a GME Epirb/gps tomorrow are these registered online another words could I purchase the epirb then go offshore next day or wait for do I need to wait on registration cert?? Also plan on buying floating hand held vhf radio without the having the required radio licence would I be in trouble during safety inspections, I do plan on getting the radio license just plan on getting offshore this weekend thanks for any info you can provide You can register EPIRBs online .. its quick and easy...you can tie it to a number of craft....eg your boat and your offroad vehicle if you are into 4wd outings. So spread the investment across a number of sports. As JonD says they last a long time. You can have a radio on board without a licence.... and have it on to listen to VHF 16 distress frequency. Talking on VHF without a certificate of proficiency (ie without training) is whats prohibited. But then again I have not heard of anyone being fined for using it in an emergency situation. For added safety, you can log in (and log off on return) with Marine Rescue Sydney via Phone or their mobile app (Marine Rescue NSW). If you download the app.... its a press of a button to call them, the number is in the app. You can also create a profile in the app of your vessel, car, favorite boat ramp etc... and use the app to log in and log off. Welcome to the wide world offshore ! Cheers Zoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradic Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If you decide to get an epirb and want to go out further let me know and i will send you some marks that hold good fish but they're more than 2nm out and you're boat will be fine ona good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizza Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Pulling up an anchor in strong current in deep water can be deadly if the anchor rope is allowed to tangle around the prop in a smaller boat.I have experienced 3 frights in 50 years.This is is the worst case scenario when the current drives down the transom and the boater has to reach over to cut the rope.The best drive-off technique is to go at right angle to the current quickly and away from the rope and ball.No doubt others will have other methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night raider Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 11 hours ago, Stradic said: If you decide to get an epirb and want to go out further let me know and i will send you some marks that hold good fish but they're more than 2nm out and you're boat will be fine ona good day. Thanks stradic please forward me some of the gps marks you are willing to share via PM so I can put them into navionics to see the distance....etc thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmk1962 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Night Raider. Navionics- Switch on community edits and you will see many marks with descriptions. Cheers Zoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsswordfisherman Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 There is a whole section on here with GPS marks - check it out too Thanks Zoran and members for reinforcing that the skipper has a duty of care and providing links for safety gear etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night raider Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 Update.... safety gear has been installed GME Gx700 vhf radio with 1.8m antenna GME epirb and built in GPS will feel much safer going offshore now my apologies for thinking this safety gear is optional extra when in realty if I’m stuck out there it’s the only way to get help 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raging Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 That's the way. Make sure you login and out with your radio to test it out. http://www.marinerescuensw.com.au/boating-safety/log-on-and-log-off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmk1962 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Awesome Night Raider !!! No need to apologize...its a learning curve ... We're all just at different parts of the curve. I have found in life (and particularly in boating) the only dumb question is the one that's not asked. There's always something to learn. If you haven't found it already, check the Fishraider "Links" tab. Lots of helpful info to plan your offshore outings. Cheers Zoran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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